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B-O-O-O-O-O-O-ring !!!

A4sForever

BTDT OLD GUY
pilot
Contributor
*sniff* .... this platform looks like the Starship Enterprise, NOT the LEX ....

..... and if they've replaced the wood lattice PLATFORM, then it looks like my carved initials are riding on the wind ... *sniff* .... :icon_cryi:icon_cryi:icon_cryi:icon_cryi

I weep for the future ...
Looks like they replaced the wood at the LSO platform.

USSLexingtonLSOplatform.jpg


The Lady Lex has definitely seen better days. :(
 

Catmando

Keep your knots up.
pilot
Super Moderator
Contributor
A4s and me......before he became an LSO. :D:D

So guess which one of us is older? :)

oldsalts.jpg
 

blackbart22

Well-Known Member
pilot
for e6bflyer, re shooter school, as a shooter for two and a half years, mostly on Yankee Station and later FTG Cats & AG instructor, you can be sure to generate a batch of seastorys of your own. My claim is that I never put one in the water that had anybody in it when it left the deck. Also, keep the chronograph tapes or what ever they use nowadays to measure endspeeds. May save your ass on a JAG investigation.
 

e6bflyer

Used to Care
pilot
Bart,
Great advice, I will heed for sure.

Not putting a plane in the water is my number one goal as well. We have been watching mishap tapes in class and it seems there is no shortage of stuff that can go wrong up there.
 

rondebmar

Ron "Banty" Marron
pilot
Contributor
Hey...before my "TINS" tale...today, April 18...my brother's birthday...AND...sixty seven years ago today, Jimmy Doolittle did his thing off Enterprise, with 16 B-25s...little USN history here!!

(Or so I heard...No, I wasn't there! LOL!!)

Doolittle_Raid.jpg


Army B-25 leaving flight deck of USS Hornet bound for Tokyo with presents
 

eddie

Working Plan B
Contributor
Interesting ... ??? INTERESTING ... ??? You postulate that ANYTHING Canadian might be "interesting", eh .. ??? :eek::eek::eek::eek:

We're going to have a MOD-SQUAD conference re: your perfidious comment(s), "eddie" ... if that really IS your name, Hozer-wannabe ...

We may have to ban you in the interest of the welfare of this website, international relations, our common border w/ our 51st state, Canadian maple syrup, and the French & Indian War ...

:)))

It was between that and the article talking about how booze DOESN'T kill brain cells.
 

zipmartin

Never been better
pilot
Contributor
Am I the only one who thinks that 99 & 44/100% of what's been on this website over the past ... let's say, 4-5 days .... has been a snoozer ... ??? :confused::sleep_125 Important to a few, perhaps ... a sleeper to the masses ... ???

Where's flyin' ... where's operational "stuff" ... where's cruise "stuff" ... where's sea stories ... where's history ... where's tradition ... where's the beef ... ???

I need a vacation.
So I'm sitting in the hotel bar in Seattle on Good Friday on an overnight, eating salmon and drinking some Alaskan Amber Ale, thinking, it might just be possible that a certain former A-4 driver MIGHT break away from family commitments to stop by for some sea-stories, when in walks this......
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......alas, it wasn't to be. But, the entertainment that evening was provided by watching the endless parade of strange people attending NORWESCON 2009, a fantasy/science fiction convention taking place in the hotel over Easter weekend.
 

HeyJoe

Fly Navy! ...or USMC
None
Super Moderator
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Hey...before my "TINS" tale...today, April 18...my brother's birthday...AND...sixty seven years ago today, Jimmy Doolittle did his thing off Enterprise, with 16 B-25s...little USN history here!!

(Or so I heard...No, I wasn't there! LOL!!)

Army B-25 leaving flight deck of USS Hornet bound for Tokyo with presents

Neither was I, but +1 for bringing up one of greatest flying episodes in US Military history and great example of Jointness before the word was coined. Just flying the stripped Army medium bombers off a carrier deck in Japaness waters was bold and challenging enough. Having chanced upon an unknown Japanese picket line hundreds of miles before the planned launch point forced them to decide to either abort before Japanese could respond or launch knowing they would not have enough fuel to reach their planned landing strips in China and have to ditch or bailout at sea with no hope of recovery.

They launched anyway and dealt the first blow against the ongoing Japanese juggernaut that had been steamrolling allied territory since December and was bursting with militaristic pride and superiority. Despite all bombers being subsequently lost, the impact on morale in the United States was off the charts and dealt the Japanese a serious blow to their Samurai spirit and feeling of invincibility. Then came the first serious body blow and strategic setback to Japanese plans of conquest at the Battle of Coral Sea in May and the tide turning victory at Midway in June showing the Japanese that the American giant was now awake (as Yamamoto allegedly predicted would happen within 6 months) and throwing powerful punches right back at 'em from then on.
 

BusyBee604

St. Francis/Hugh Hefner Combo!
pilot
Super Moderator
Contributor
So I'm sitting in the hotel bar in Seattle on Good Friday on an overnight, eating salmon and drinking some Alaskan Amber Ale, thinking, it might just be possible that a certain former A-4 driver MIGHT break away from family commitments to stop by for some sea-stories, when in walks this......
3442420419_273d299be9.jpg

......alas, it wasn't to be. But, the entertainment that evening was provided by watching the endless parade of strange people attending NORWESCON 2009, a fantasy/science fiction convention taking place in the hotel over Easter weekend.

Hey wait a minute...where'd ya get me pitcher??:eek:BzB
 

MasterBates

Well-Known Member
Ah, comic conventions. See some strangeness near them when they are in town, especially the bigger ones.

However, occasionally you get to see something nice.. Like an actual hot geeky chick in a princess Leia metal bikini.
 

e6bflyer

Used to Care
pilot
Don't know if this has been discussed or not (at any length), but we were discussing this crash video and how it could have been prevented in class the other day:


It looks to me that you can see the foul deck light reflected off the jet and the waveoff was clearly issued (although late). So...in an effort to learn more about this floating boat thing that launches and catches airplanes, who or what could have prevented this from happening? Can the pilots see the foul deck light, or are they concentrating too much on pilot shit?
 

rondebmar

Ron "Banty" Marron
pilot
Contributor
Here's one for ya...thought someday I'd submit it to Skyhawk Ass'n as a "TINS" tale, but never did get to it...and now, Brownshoe's pushing me.:D

I think this event occurred off Yankee Station...circumstances would seem to indicate that...no tankers, no bingo field available...with VA-95 aboard Intrepid in 1966 (Essex Class = Small!)

A couple guys behind me in the pattern...then recovery complete...everything's fine at the 180...except the boat is entering an area of moderate shower activity...turned in, called the ball at the appropriate position...(>460 traps, and do not even remember where that was...just inside the 90, I guess)...make the turn onto final, and as I do, the ship simply disappears in my rain soaked forward cockpit panel!! Can not discern anything directly in front of the jet :eek:.

OK, we're in an A4B...A, B, and C all utilized an electric windscreen wiper to clear forward vision...I never recall needing it before now!! I executed a self generated easy going' waveoff, explained to paddles why, started groping around for the applicable circuit breaker (lower panel, outboard of right leg, IIRC). So, exercise the wiper switch, recycle the CB...(all to no avail), while turning downwind again. Great vis outside the cockpit...except straight ahead!! Begin second pass (I'm now the only A/C in flight)...call the ball at the ninety or so...turn onto final, and lose everything again...forward vis is ZERO, with moderate to heavy rain smearing all vision to the front.

Execute another self initiated wave off...now paddles sounds pizzed off...and I became somewhat irate myself...as I broadcast my plight in a profanity laced tirade asking the platform WTF would they like...if I can not see the ship to make the approach, I'll continue to wave myself off, rather than driving into the island, or spud locker, and killing everyone in sight!:icon_rage

As I eased gently upwind, followed by an easy turn to downwind, there was a moment or two of radio silence...I imagine the ship's CO, Air Boss, paddles, etc., were discussing the alternatives.

Finally paddles comes up with the following...ship's CO says I'm offered two options...a controlled ejection alongside the boat...or ...what I'll call a "PCA" (Paddles Controlled Approach):D...the guys will talk me down...all the way down!

Paddles involved were squadron mate and flying partner Lt. Phil G. (later Capt USN Ret.), and Air Wing 10 (?) LSO Lcdr. Herm K. (later with UAL...bumped into Herm in the UAL Pilot's Lounge at ORD years later).

Well, I opted for the latter...we'll attempt a talk down...(had a lot of faith with the guys on the platform)...rolled onto final for the last time...

I believe it was Phil who kept an open mike...softly and gently directed me with very minor corrections...I was never so attuned to an aircraft as I was on this approach...followed Phil's directions, locked a green donut on the AOA indicator...made the minor glide slope and line up directions as precisely as possible...but still "tightened up" a bit as I got close in...

Simultaneously with peripherally seeing the round down race by, heard Phil shout six words...

LAND IT!! LAND IT!! LAND IT!!

And so I did. Thank God for great LSOs, calm seas, and steady decks!!

The adrenaline dump was long past by this time, so I made it unaided down to the Ready Room :icon_wink...awaiting the inevitable LSO debrief with the other guys on the recovery. Upon their arrival, I was the last to be commented on:

"Banty...OK 3!" And they were off...I was to rattled to ask what wire I really caught!!

Another of my very few A4 adventures here:

http://www.skyhawk.org/

Scroll down the right side to "TINS" tales...read "Gliding Home"...(the webmasters title; not mine!)
 

A4sForever

BTDT OLD GUY
pilot
Contributor
Here's one for ya......yadda, yadda, yadda ... make the turn onto final, and as I do, the ship simply disappears in my rain soaked forward cockpit panel!! Can not discern anything directly in front of the jet :eek:.

I executed a self generated easy going' waveoff, explained to paddles why... Begin second pass (I'm now the only A/C in flight)...call the ball at the ninety or so...turn onto final, and lose everything again...forward vis is ZERO, with moderate to heavy rain smearing all vision to the front.
Execute another self initiated wave off...now paddles sounds pizzed off......
Quote: "Now PADDLES sounds 'pizzed' (sic) off ... "

Yeah. No shit, Sherlock.

Did you ever call "CLARA" while flyin' the pass(es) ???


I'm certain you did
... :)

Goin' along for the sake of discussion: did PADDLES ever respond to your "CLARA" call ???

If they did and could "see you", they should have told you "PADDLES CONTACT, keep it coming, I've got you" or words similar .... I've waved in similar situations on more than one occasion and that's the way it all went down. Everyone got aboard -- safely -- no problems and no "controlled ejections" hypotheticals alongside the ship. Otherwise ... they were MIA/AWOL on the PLATFORM.
I'm havin' a hard time believing any 27-C or any Vietnam-era PLATFORM could be that incompetent ... are you certain you're "remembering" it as it went down ... ??? :D

If YOU took two (2) of your own W/O's w/out any COMM w/ PADDLES during the first, between the two, and during/after the second ... ???

Like I say; hard to believe ....

If PADDLES was that out of the loop/incompetent -- they should have been relieved, post haste....

If YOU took two (2) uncommanded, own-W/O's on my BOAT ... when you finally got aboard, I'd ground your sorry ass UFN.

After the debrief, of course ...



Pilots don't "own" the pattern ... I do. At the minimum, I lease it from the BOSS ....

Roger Ball ... ???
 
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