Yep...pretty much
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NFO's instructing at Meridian/Kingsville
- Thread starter jarhead
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Yep...pretty much
So y'all get the full on, no shit NATOPS qual in the Clown Jet?
I cant even begin to tell you how many times I say to myself and to others..."its a good thing we (pilots) were taught to fly by ourselves..."
Until the quality of NFO training improves, the single seat training mindset must not end. NFO's leave NPA knowing that the IP will come through for 'em if things really get ugly. I've advocated for a long time that SNFO's should get a T-34 solo. While fiscally impossible, it would teach an unforgettable lesson about responsibility and "ownership".
A-4's hit it on the head. If this was a good idea it would have already happened.
I'm again troubled at the attempts to run Naval Aviation as a business and less like a war-fighting military organization.
I do agree that this is the case, but I think that the training (at least NATOPS-wise) is due to the fact that the snfo's change a/c so often (4 in 13 months for me) that they don't really get the time to really get in-depth until the FRS. It's a bit easier for pilots since they have 2 aircraft to learn until they get their fleet bird.
That being said, SNFO training makes it way too easy to look at the pilot with 1000's of hours for advice.
This wasn't a acceptable reason (read: excuse) when pilots learned and flew T-34's, T-2's and or TA-4's/T-45s.
...And if CNATRA continues to chop away at the NFO syllabus then wont have time to learn an aircraft at the FRS either. There will be too much time spent teaching basic airmanship.
It's funny how these things work out. Back in my SNFO days, when pilots had to have 20-20, no waivers, no surgery, etc., there were more bodies available for SNFO then SNA after NAMI. The NFO syllabus was harder to get through with a much higher attrition rate than pilots. Now it seems there aren't enough SNFOs, the standards are lower, the training is much less and wings are easier.
Can P-3/E-6/Rotor dudes teach in the T-45? Yup, they have and do. Lobo Niedermair, a Hummer dude, taught 2/3 PL ACM like a kung-fu masta.
They (non FW boat dudes) take a long time to train, some students percieve a lack of credibility (not me, we had some good dudes). In the end the X production crunch always comes in phase 2 (ONAVS, WEAPS, MP ONAVS, ACM, CQ). We never have enough IP's to push the elephant through the snake there, folks did three a day and Sundays too to make wingings (buy yer IP a beer boys, they didn't have to do it.)
IP's from the rotor/P-3/E-6/some E-2/C-2 world take a very long time to get the experience it takes to teach Phase 2 stuff, but they do on a case by case basis. Some dudes just arent comfy outside the FAM/FORM/NFAM/BI/RI/AN world. Ive gotta say its a hell of a lot easier teaching PH1 and not comming a RCH from being splattered on the 50' left to right to lefts that happen in 3 plane ACM!
Are we there yet? Yup. Give the Stan-O a hug.
Is there an ITU in the T-45 world or is the training done in the squadron? I imagine if a non tactical jet type wants to get qual'ed in the Phase 2 stuff, they have to have some time in the jet, instructing in the Phase 1 stuff for some time. I knew a few COD pilots who were T-45 IP's in both Kingsville and Meridian but I know of only one who did some of the Phase 2 stuff. I think the others simply were not comfortable or were not interested in the Phase 2.
He was an E-2 Bubba? Never woulda known. Fought him on a defensive (I think) ACM solo in the TRACOM. War Room debrief, complete with beer and a bone. I specifically remember him leading me into the break at the speed of heat and then snapping it off at the numbers, and my eyes bugging out of my head as I then registered my airspeed and how much pattern I had to lose it in. Dunno why that flight in particular sticks in my mind, but good times were had.
MasterBates
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Gator, I was just perusing my NATOPS jacket, and the only "quals" I have are the SH-60B and T-34C. I did a full-on NATOPS check in the -34 when I was doing the helo-to-strike syllabus in the VT-28 ITU, but the "checks" here and at VT-31 for the T-44 are strictly safe for solo as far as my NATOPS jacket says.
And that makes sense, since you were in an IUT syllabus for the T-34, which starts with 5 flights and a 7190 check. Sounds like the above is in line with what I'm saying, I'd just be curious to hear from a VT(j) IP to see if my suspicions are correct.
T-45 students in Meridian get safe-for-solo endorsements on the flight gradesheet prior to a solo flight. In Meridian they do not get a NATOPS qual however I have HEARD that Kingsville gives some sort of NATOPS qual. I think it is funny that studs get an instrument qual so as to solo the Goshawk in the goo.......it just seems weird when you think about the paperwork.
Yeah, I hear you. Similar in the HTs. You get your instrument check but you are never qual'ed in model. Totally legal but kind of weird. I can actually go one better on the qual confusion with my current status (I can check in this aircraft, but I can't in another aircraft, I'm current in one aircraft but can't sign for it but I'm not current in another, but can sign for it....etc, etc), but that's for another thread.
Sometimes you just need to ask a pilot how something feels. In -129 many NFOs will be the first to deflect a question to another pilot. "I have never flown the jet, so you should ask another pilot that."
Bless them for not BSing the answer.
But even on a late stage ACM in Advanced a lot of the coaching isn't just on the angles or getting the right sight, but on the monkey skills.
Bless them for not BSing the answer.
But even on a late stage ACM in Advanced a lot of the coaching isn't just on the angles or getting the right sight, but on the monkey skills.
"Pull Pull Pull.........Pull harder!!!!!"