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Enlisted Recruiter making me wait to talk to Officer Recruiter

utak

Registered User
Oh common. Enlist first.... there is this great program that will send you to the fleet undesignated.. which pretty much means you get to walk around the boat all day and watch everyone work and decide which job you really want! Its awesome.. and it is sooooooo easy to become an officer once your enlisted! :icon_wink

I can already predict what the enlisted recruiter is going to say once dbrauer87 let's him know he's going to talk to the O recruiters. But . . .

Will the recruiter say it very short? Maybe in a passive aggressive tone to make dbrauer87 feel guilty, and thus, tend to stay on the path to go enlisted?
"Son, you gotta be more *open minded*!"

or will he use a long-drawn out speech, in the meantime liberally throwing out terms like "shipmate" in an attempt to make dbrauer87 sympathize with him, and thus, decide to go the enlisted route?

"Shipmate, once upon a time I wanted to be an Admiral. I worked sooooo hard, I gave the Navy a full day's work and they gave me a full day's pay. But I never became an Admiral. It was hard on me but I learned to accept it. It's just like you, shipmate. You just can't become an officer, no matter how hard you'll work. Just because you can never become an officer doesn't mean you'll live a good life or have a good enlisted naval career."


I wonder which one it'll be....
 

Goob83

Active Member
None
I can already predict what the enlisted recruiter is going to say once dbrauer87 let's him know he's going to talk to the O recruiters. But . . .

Will the recruiter say it very short? Maybe in a passive aggressive tone to make dbrauer87 feel guilty, and thus, tend to stay on the path to go enlisted?
"Son, you gotta be more *open minded*!"

or will he use a long-drawn out speech, in the meantime liberally throwing out terms like "shipmate" in an attempt to make dbrauer87 sympathize with him, and thus, decide to go the enlisted route?

"Shipmate, once upon a time I wanted to be an Admiral. I worked sooooo hard, I gave the Navy a full day's work and they gave me a full day's pay. But I never became an Admiral. It was hard on me but I learned to accept it. It's just like you, shipmate. You just can't become an officer, no matter how hard you'll work. Just because you can never become an officer doesn't mean you'll live a good life or have a good enlisted naval career."

I wonder which one it'll be....

hahaha you said SHIPMATE!!!!
 

jt71582

How do you fly a Clipper?
pilot
Contributor
Good luck. I'm glad you found this site and received some good information on your local officer recruiter before you signed that dotted line. There is a ton of information all over this forum on various officer programs.
 

BENDER

Member
pilot
Well the title pretty much says it all. I went to my local recruiter and he's telling me I needed to get over a 70 on the ASVAB before the officer recruiter would even come talk to me. I will be graduating in 2 months with my B.S. in Physics. I went ahead and took the ASVAB and scored in the 98th percentile. I just want to know whether he's trying to get me screwed into being enlisted when I really want to go officer. He's been talking about the Delayed Entry Program as well. There is no way I want to be enlisted, I didn't exactly spend 3 years getting my degree for nothing. The whole process is being held up right now because I had ACL surgery and have to apply for a waiver. In the meantime I just want to make sure I'm not getting tricked into anything.

Thanks, DB


This just happened to me also, I took the test and the next day I had the officer recruiter calling me.
 

Sabre170

Active Member
None
False Official Statement

Well that helps, any idea on what I should tell the enlisted recruiter?

If you can get the recruiter to put into writing the requirement on the ASVAB before you talk to an Officer Recruiter or tape him in his conversations then you will have proof he violated the following Article of the UCMJ.

Article 107—False official statements
a. Text of statute.
Any person subject to this chapter who, with intent to deceive, signs any false record, return, regulation, order, orother official document , knowing it to be false, or makes any other false official statement knowing it to be false, shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
b. Elements.
(1) That the accused signed a certain official document or made a certain official statement;
(2) That the document or statement was false in certain particulars;
(3) That the accused knew it to be false at the time of signing it or making it; and
(4) That the false document or statement was made with the intent to deceive.
c. Explanation.
(1) Official documents and statements. Official documents and official statements include all documents and statements made in the line of duty.
(2) Status of victim of the deception. The rank of any person intended to be deceived is immaterial if that person was authorized in the execution of a
particular duty to require or receive the statement or document from the accused. The government may be the victim of this offense.
(3) Intent to deceive. The false representation must be made with the intent to deceive. It is not necessary that the false statement be material to the issue inquiry. If, however, the falsity is in respect to a material matter, it may be considered as some evidence of the intent to deceive, while immateriality may tend to show an absence of this intent.
(4) Material gain. The expectation of material gain is not an element of this offense. Such expectation or lack of it, however, is circumstantial evidence bearing on the element of intent to deceive.
(5) Knowledge that the document or statement was false. The false representation must be one which the accused actually knew was false. Actual knowledge may be proved by circumstantial evidence. An honest, although erroneous, belief that a statement made is true, is a defense.
d. Lesser included offense. Article 80—attempts
e. Maximum punishment. Dishonorable Discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 5 years.
 

HooverPilot

CODPilot
pilot
Super Moderator
Contributor
^ I don't think setting up a sting operation is really going to do much toward the OP getting to his goal of joining a Commissioning program. Follow the advice given by HH-60H & HeyJoe, and the Officer Recruiter will take care of the rest...
 

hscs

Registered User
pilot
Why don't you have that recruiter call me or ask to see that recruiter's officer supervisor.
 

dbrauer87

New Member
I don't wanna get the guy in any trouble, he's cool and everything. I just thought he was actually getting me set up to talk to the officer recruiter..
 

mb1k

Yep. The clock says, "MAN TIME".
pilot
None
I don't wanna get the guy in any trouble, he's cool and everything. I just thought he was actually getting me set up to talk to the officer recruiter..

He's NOT COOL. He's lied to you, I don't know what more proof of him NOT being cool you need.

Like HSCS said, PM me and I'll give you my number and he can call me. Personally.

I have an interest in this since I OHARP'd in an Officer Recruiting station and know this is a lie (at least in '91). Additionally I had two enlisted people working for me that were MIT graduates that fell for that scheme. They didn't have the resource of this board to clear up the lies before they signed.

...in the end, the recruiter meets his quota but does so much damage to the morale and mission of the service. I had two people doing their min time and getting out, all the while telling their story and making their fellow enlisted people see their own service as a cold entity only interested in getting the blocks filled.

I wouldn't owe him the courtesy of another phone call or anything.
 

utak

Registered User
I don't wanna get the guy in any trouble, he's cool and everything. I just thought he was actually getting me set up to talk to the officer recruiter..

Dude, you gotta lot of people rooting for you. You got both junior and senior commissioned officers, the UCMJ, and that phrase called "common sense" on your side. But if all of these won't persuade the enlisted recruiter to see the light, need not worry, because you have one more ally . . .

. . . Mr. T-Rex!!!

navyrecruiter.png
 

dbrauer87

New Member
Version #1 is exactly what's been going on. I've been trying to find out what this Delayed Entry Program was and whether it is what I needed to do to get into OCS and I guess he was just leading me in the wrong way.
 

Spekkio

He bowls overhand.
What's next, telling you that talking to the officer recruiter required a MEPS physical and some signed paperwork? Then by the time you realize you're headed straight for bootcamp after that physical, it'll be too late.

It's guys like this that give groups like Code Pink ammunition. Btw, are you interested in NUPOC? If so, PM me and I can give you a rundown of what the process is like.
 
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