of heavy machinery?
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Random8145
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That's that not what a machinist does. A machinist makes parts from prints. In the old days, machinists operated manual lathes and mills, today though it is much more CNC (computer numerical control) machines which often combine both. Almost all mechanical parts are made by machinists. Even a part that is produced by the millions, it was machinists that likely aided in the setting up and programming of the machines to produce them. Machinists make the molds that plastic injection molding machines use to make all the huge variety of plastic parts as well.
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The “ignore” function has been amazing for improving the readability of this thread, and my blood pressure.
To bring it back to the topic at hand.. Can someone who understands war better than me explain to me the “legality” of gaining land as a result of war? Are those “spoils” taken or given? If given, then wouldn’t that undermine the claim that Israel illegally occupies Palestinian land? Or is that more so a claim regarding Israel’s initial founding in the 40’s? I want to better understand the realities of “military occupation” and land disputes a bit better in this context.
Land seized during conflict can legally be used for treaty negotiations. After the Mexican-American War the U.S. gained significant territory from Mexico in the treaty process but didn’t take the whole of the territory that was occupied. The same applies to the Spanish-American War. In both cases, neither action was contrary to international convention. In the past Israel got significant real estate gains after her wars and often in exchange for land occupied during conflict such as the Suez. In the case of this war I’m guessing that Israel is looking for a few hundred years of land to create a deeper buffer zone between Gaza and Israel - but in any case a treaty (more likely a “cease fire” in this case) will be brokered by international concerns.
A bunch of years ago, I read a book about the history of the Middle Ages. After reading it, I realized that I really didn't understand what was going on in the Balkans until I'd read the book. The threads run that deep over there.
My mom just bought this one for me. Will report results.
Tumbleweed33
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Is there any chance you remember the name of that book?
I don't know what book taxi1 read, but A World Lit Only By Fire is excellent. (Bonus points as the author is a Marine Corps combat veteran)
Look tonight.
I was really interested in what led to WW1. That's what took me down the rabbit hole of history.
So you don't make heavy machinery?
Check out UN Security Council Resolution 242, which is one of the keystones of this (very modern) history.
Security Council resolution, so it is considered to be binding international law. Preamble emphasizes the inadmissibility of territory gained in war, which is declared illegal in the UN Charter (and which we, the US, are upholding as a reason that Russia can't annex Ukraine).
UNSCR 242 demands (in English) that Israel withdraw "from territories" gained in the recent conflict (the 1967 war, in which Israel gained military control of Gaza from Egypt, the West Bank from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria), while I believe in French it says "from the territories" gained, which has been a point of contention among scholars, diplomats, and other people to whom words matter.
Fun fact for all you history buffs, btw: Egypt and Syria were, at the time, a single state called the United Arab Republic. So Israel seized Gaza and Golan from the UAR, which broke back up into Egypt and Syria in 1971-ish.
The point, though, was not to force a unilateral Israeli withdrawal, but to push towards a negotiated settlement.
Keep in mind, though, that the question at this point was "negotiated between whom?" Jordan and Israel? UAR/Egypt/Syria and Israel? Between Israel and the people living in the West Bank and Gaza, many of whom were refugees, and all of whom had been residents of another country up until that point?
The PLO, by the way, was a thing at the time--a creation of UAR (Egyptian) intelligence, based in Cairo. No skin in the game or boots on the ground. Long story, like many of these stories.
To me, this is one of the cores of this problem: who leads the Palestinians, speaks for the Palestinians, can make and enforce agreements for the Palestinians? The UN kind of chose the PLO to be the figurehead organization, but they never really had the legitimacy to make the deals. More recently, Hamas was elected in Gaza, but as soon as they were elected they ensured that they would never be un-elected, so they're basically a mafia/terrorist organization, curiously supported by both Iran and Netanyahu (until recently).
There's a lot more to be said about the issue of territory, but this post is too long already .
Random8145
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I make parts, some of which go into heavy vehicles and machines, some go into medical equipment, some are defense-related, etc...the company actually makes some SpaceX parts as well.
Doing an additive manufacturing?
Random8145
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They only do additive manufacturing to create fixtures for parts, usually for measurement purposes with the coordinate measuring machines, but other wise not any commercial AM.
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