What do you mean by ‘direct support?’ Pretty sure we’ve been using entire csgs in direct support of someone who is ‘not the Navy’ for a couple decades or more. The entirety of the gfm process counters your assertions about ‘kicking and screaming’ and ‘crying’.
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CMV-22B Osprey Rollout
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Got it, but it’s a bit more complex than that, though that can sometimes get lost when the matter gets to N98 who is trying to pay bills for NGAD.
I don’t know why this 4YO video is suddenly dumped out there.
That is a horrible summary of the causes. Suffice it to say, several layers of Swiss cheese lined up there and there’s a NATOPS change that specifically addresses it now.
Are there any public numbers published on incidents/accidents per (for example) 100,000 flight hours? I would be interested to see how the different platforms look. Every man and his dog on Reddit always seem to say "Omg the Osprey is a death trap!" but I imagine the numbers would tell a very different story.
For any and all airframes…if you don’t fly it…it is a “death trap.” If you fly it…it is a marvel of technology, aerodynamics, and coolness.
The Marines ordered their clutches not to fail…failure is not an option.
Yeah, that's true. And if COVID has taught me anything it's that the public doesn't understand statistics ?
Identical airframe and powertrain - differences being in avionics. Integrated EW countermeasures/jammers and terrain following radar and a full IR suite that allows self protection independent of a larger force. Also, contrasting cultures, whilst Marine MV's are "workman" aircraft and show the daily wear of ops, AF CV's I've seen are universally spotless. Impressively so.
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That was the case for the ones I saw at Kirkland a few years ago.
Max the Mad Russian
Hands off Ukraine! Feet too
Ie, everyone may make the Ford F-100 spotless and shiny, but it would be much wiser to spend that money for fuel, tires and motor oil
Did you copy/paste that from Boeing's glossy brochure?
This is the most preposterous statement ever conceived. Put a Plopter inside a WEZ (any WEZ) and it quickly transitions from novelty logistics platform into smoking hole generator in about 10 seconds.
You might be out of your lane on this one. The RF and IR jammers on the CV are very capable. There is a handful of threat systems I'd happily fly through the WEZ of (and have at China lake/Nellis etc). Plus others are easier to mitigate with supporting assets due to the speed of the V-22 and decreasing vulnerability windows.
The CV-22 is the most capable vertical lift platform in the world when it comes to *RF* threat pen. Yes, even including the 160th and I'd stake my reputation on that.
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