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Why are you Leaving?

Recovering LSO said:
I for the life of me can't figure out why folks would be leaving.... Maybe, just spitballing here, it's the reflective belt in the bar, and all that it represents? We in the Navy laugh....we shouldn't. When it comes to nonsensical bullshit, the Air Force is really just a trend setter - we tend to follow up a few years later.

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The USN has for years been saying they need more subs to accomplish what they have been asked, same with our CVN's they are being used like a rental car and nothing has been done yet with those issues so welcome to the club USAF

Kind of off topic but I was at the store yesterday and the guy working there was USAF retired, mentioned I was retired USN and he said his son just finished a 4 year enlistment in the USMC, and was looking at going USAF, because this guy said the USAF has almost no divorces, great home life, and often you are home every night, he said in 24 years he almost never worked weekends and was home by 5 each night. I am trying to figure out if he was hit the head by a wrench or what job he had?
 
NavyOffRec said:
....this guy said the USAF has almost no divorces, great home life, and often you are home every night, he said in 24 years he almost never worked weekends and was home by 5 each night. I am trying to figure out if he was hit the head by a wrench or what job he had?
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There are a few career fields in the USAF you can get away with that, it isn't anywhere the majority of them but there are some that get away without doing much of what we would the other services would consider the norm. Now for the divorce part, not so much...
 
NavyOffRec said:
The USN has for years been saying they need more subs to accomplish what they have been asked, same with our CVN's they are being used like a rental car and nothing has been done yet with those issues so welcome to the club USAF
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+1 to the Navy for bringing the Ike back on time.

The services are going to hurt badly until the next economic recession when jobs become scarce.
 
Recovering LSO said:
I for the life of me can't figure out why folks would be leaving.... Maybe, and just spitballing here, it's the reflective belt in the bar, and all that it represents? We in the Navy laugh....we shouldn't. When it comes to nonsensical bullshit, the Air Force is really just a trend setter - we tend to follow up a few years later.

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It's possible he's about to leave. He does have a helmet bag in his hand. Not sure why he's walking around w/ cammies and a helmet, but that's "normal" silliness.
 
pourts said:
+1 to the Navy for bringing the Ike back on time.
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It's a slippery slope.

As nice as it is for the crew to get back on time, every time we leave a gap in coverage in a theater due to deployment delays etc. it cheapens the value of the CSG and causes people to wonder why we spend a ton of money on Navy assets that can't make mission while while the Air Force can provide the same coverage with additional air assets at existing bases without the expensesive overhead of a CVN and escorts.
 
I disagree. This is exactly what I do at the CAOC, and they appreciate the sortie generation capabilities of the carrier from the O3 to O7 level. Day 1/ month 1/ year 1 of the war they want and need the carrier. The problem is, we cannot have a carrier in theater forever.
 
zippy said:
It's a slippery slope.

As nice as it is for the crew to get back on time, every time we leave a gap in coverage in a theater due to deployment delays etc. it cheapens the value of the CSG and causes people to wonder why we spend a ton of money on Navy assets that can't make mission while while the Air Force can provide the same coverage with additional air assets at existing bases without the expensesive overhead of a CVN and escorts.
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This is not true, not even close. If anything, our gap in coverage illuminates the value and unique capability of a CSG and her Airwing.
 
robav8r said:
This is not true, not even close. If anything, our gap in coverage illuminates the value and unique capability of a CSG and her Airwing.
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Agreed. I would also suggest that such a gap serves to wean COCOMs off of a resource that has been provided to them at an unsustainable rate over the last 15 years. CSG employment needs to transition toward a supply-based model or we're going to drive these platforms into early retirement by continuing to defer maintenance availability.
 
pourts said:
I disagree. This is exactly what I do at the CAOC, and they appreciate the sortie generation capabilities of the carrier from the O3 to O7 level. Day 1/ month 1/ year 1 of the war they want and need the carrier. The problem is, we cannot have a carrier in theater forever.
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That having been said, my wingman and I were headed up the blvd when he had a battery failure……repeat gripe, something about the CB's in the gun bay popping, batts no longer getting charged, and you lose IFEI fuel indications (bad for the CV as you won't know how much gas you have left, nor will you know how much fuel is in the externals). Brought him back, with literally everyone, from the Boss, to the E-2, to AW, to probably the wardroom cooks trying to figure out our situation on all radios. They made a ready deck and we came back and trapped. I then sat there in a combat loaded jet for about an hour and a half on a hose while CAG and the CAOC deliberated about whether I would be allowed to launch again, "touch" Afghanistan for a combined In/Out Gas and then simply come home for sortie credit. At the end of the day, the CAOC said GTFO and I shot of the front end with said load to dump and immediately come back Tank+1 on the ball for a night currency trap. One of the more ludicrous flights/days of my career.

THAT having been said, I've also heard it is cheaper to fly a CVN jet in country and take airborne gas than it is to forward deploy similar assets and pay for the gas to get trucked over the Khyber, so maybe it did make sense for all those years…..who knows
 
Anyone else ever try to launch an "Alert" (I'm using the term loosely) off the beach in the Gulf? It's a nightmare. Never figured out if it's a CAOC problem or an AF problem.

From the surface ADU perspective, it's always nice to have a CVN in town. That said, the COCOM's need to learn to operate fluidly without a 1.X CVN presence.
 
Stood plenty of alert 5/30/60 in the gulf. Never launched. I watched my skipper launch on a 2 am alert, and for a guy who trolled the JO's for taking burner cat shots, his cans were bright white that night. #survival instinct
 
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