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Where are the Carriers, helos, CODs, etc? Heading to help with Haitian Relief effort!

usmarinemike

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I've never been a big fan of Haiti, but God be with them. He hit the reset button on them. Here's the generic earlybird story on it.

Apparently Carl Vinson and her entourage are heading down there. Where can we find updates on other DOD resources that Southcom and all are asking for? Being that it is Haiti, I get the feeling that this'll be more than a Humanitarian mission before long.
 

Beans

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HS-11 (or 7, depending on who you ask) to the rescue!

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100113-N-8590G-008 JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (Jan 13, 2010) SH-60 Sea Hawk helicopters assigned to Anti-Submarine Squadron (HS) 7 depart Naval Air Station Jacksonville to embark aboard the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70) en route to Haiti. The squadron and several Navy vessels are underway to render humanitarian assistance after a 7.0 magnitude earthquake struck the Caribbean nation. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Gary B. Granger Jr./Released)


Call me crazy, but it looks like those are HS-11's birds. Either way, good luck to those heading out on short notice.
 

HokiePilot

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100113-N-8590G-008 JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (Jan 13, 2010) SH-60 Sea Hawk helicopters assigned to Anti-Submarine Squadron (HS) 7 depart Naval Air Station Jacksonville to embark aboard the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70) en route to Haiti. The squadron and several Navy vessels are underway to render humanitarian assistance after a 7.0 magnitude earthquake struck the Caribbean nation. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Gary B. Granger Jr./Released)


Call me crazy, but it looks like those are HS-11's birds. Either way, good luck to those heading out on short notice.

Yeah, HS-11 sent 4 birds. Sadly, I got left behind.
 

beaverslayer

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Is it common for the Navy to send Carriers to respond to disasters? I would have expected the USNS Mercy or another hospital ship to go, but seeing that the Vinson was going kind of surprised me. Will it mostly be there to support helicopter operations on the island? Or perform some other function?
 

vicariousrider

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Horrible, horrible devastation - it seemed like every major building in Port au Prince has been flattened.

The Navy and USMC are on their way for a huge humanitarian relief effort.
 

wlawr005

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The carrier (along with an amphib) will be the only ship capable of supporting the command and control of the operation. The hospital ship is just that, a hospital. The amphib will carry the ground forces and marine air assets while the carrier supports the naval side of the show along with the command staff.
 

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Is it common for the Navy to send Carriers to respond to disasters? I would have expected the USNS Mercy or another hospital ship to go, but seeing that the Vinson was going kind of surprised me. Will it mostly be there to support helicopter operations on the island? Or perform some other function?

And the Comfort is on it's way too.
 

OscarMyers

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By Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class (SW) Robert A. Wood Sr., U.S. Naval Forces Southern Command Public Affairs
MAYPORT, Fla. (NNS) -- USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70) has been ordered to deploy to Haiti to conduct Humanitarian Assistance/Disaster Response (HA/DR) missions Jan. 13. Currently, Vinson is underway in the Atlantic Ocean, and will briefly loiter off the coast of Mayport to receive equipment and supplies.

Along with Vinson, USS Bataan (LHD 5) embarked with Marines from the 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU 22), USS Fort McHenry (LSD 43), and USS Carter Hall (LSD 50) were ordered to get underway as soon as possible. Additionally, USS Normandy (CG 60), USS Underwood (FFG 36) and USS John L. Hall (FFG 32) will deploy from their homeports and stand ready to assist, while USNS Comfort (T-AH-20), homeported in Baltimore, Md., is preparing to get underway, if required.

A Navy P-3 Orion aircraft from the Patrol Squadron (VP) 26 detachment operating from Cooperative Security Location (CSL) Comalapa, El Salvador, took off early this morning to conduct aerial surveys of the area affected by the earthquake.

USS Higgins (DDG 76) based out of Naval Station San Diego will arrive on station off the coast of Haiti tomorrow to provide afloat logistical services for the Coast Guard helicopters.

Additionally, various units are prepared to provide assistance with sea-based helicopters, to include H-53 Sea Stallions and H-60 Seahawks.

As the Navy component command of U.S. Southern Command, NAVSO's mission is to direct U.S. Naval forces operating in the Caribbean, Central and South American regions and interact with partner nation navies within the maritime environment. Routine operations include counter-illicit trafficking, theater security cooperation, military-to-military interaction and bilateral and multinational training.
 

Jim123

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On the picture thread,

Is it common for the Navy to send Carriers to respond to disasters? I would have expected the USNS Mercy or another hospital ship to go, but seeing that the Vinson was going kind of surprised me. Will it mostly be there to support helicopter operations on the island? Or perform some other function?

Well you're pretty close. The big deck amphibs are the ideal platform for this since they were designed around putting a lot of people and gear on the beach. Remember that the Lincoln did good work after the tsunami five years ago. Any warship can be good R&R for relief workers so they don't burn out (serious consideration... and a clean shower and hot meal go a long way). Others already covered which ships are already heading down or heading soon.

You already "got it" how important logistics is and that the military has far more logistics muscle than anybody else. So in descending order from most important to not as important but still important, here are what the platforms can bring to this kind of mission, broken down "Barney style":

Amphib (the bigger the better here- LSD good, LPD better, assault ship best)
Landing craft <-- the old fashioned LCUs can move some serious tonnage
Helicopters <-- can't move as much tons/hour but they can put it anywhere you need the stuff... if you use an LCU then sometimes once you get your stuff to the beach you need to unload some of it and then put it on trucks to get it to your distribution points (Port au Prince is crowded, pretty spread out, and has imposing elevation changes- for example, that collapsed hospital in Petionville that was in the news is around 1,000 feet elevation and while just a few miles straightline from the port that is normally an hour-plus drive through slums)
Water- potable water (means you can drink it) and the ability to produce lots of it
Space- lots of it

Carrier
Helicopters
Water
Space


Hospital ships
Hospital (duh...) that can do just about anything you can imagine if it is staffed with the right kinds of people and enough of them

Amphibs and carriers can do command and control for a mission of this scale. That means a lot of radios, bandwidth, computers, and office space for staffs and liaison officers/reps to do their jobs. The hospital ships can be OK command and control platforms for smaller missions (BTDT). All three can do small boat transfer which can actually be very useful ("sticks" of a few dozen passengers, a lot like riding a bus, and also good for transferring most patients). The hospital ships being converted oil tankers happen to have a lot of internal volume and they also have a helicopter deck, but they weren't built with the intent of moving lots of people and gear ship-to-shore primarily in mind. By the way, the hospital on the amphibs is not particularly big. Some really great capability yes but just not to the magnitude of the hundreds of beds in the hospital ships.

Hope that makes sense, I think I covered the most significant points. @usmarinemike, I think you hit it right on, this time it's big.
 

beaverslayer

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Thanks for the info sir, and yes it does all make perfect sense. I had never thought about things like providing potable water, rest areas for relief workers, or having enough space to put people/gear/hospital beds. Makes a lot of sense that they would need multiple ships to get the job done.
 

FormerRecruitingGuru

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I've never been a big fan of Haiti, but God be with them. He hit the reset button on them. Here's the generic earlybird story on it.

Apparently Carl Vinson and her entourage are heading down there. Where can we find updates on other DOD resources that Southcom and all are asking for? Being that it is Haiti, I get the feeling that this'll be more than a Humanitarian mission before long.

Help is on its way on the Navy side! A couple of ships (big deck/small deck amphibs) have left Norfolk and are on their way to help out in Haiti. Other ships will be leaving/receiving tasking soon to cruise on over.

Checking out pictures on the SIPR side, it's brutal. Other than many buildings collapsed, it's just pure havoc in the country. I thought I saw the worst in the LA earthquakes in 1994 and Katrina in 2005, but turns out I was proven wrong.
 

Uncle Fester

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The media and general chatter is a pretty good illustration about how the general public doesn't understand logistics. You can send all the food, water and medicine you want, but it doesn't do anyone a damn bit of good unless you can get it ashore and distribute it. Planeloads of supplies and doctors are being turned away for lack of ramp space and fuel. The port is more or less unusable. The roads were shit before the earthquake, and now...?

Sounds like one of the bottlenecks is lack of ATC. Wonder if there's any E-2's, AWACS or Customs P-3AEW's headed there?
 

Jim123

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Sounds like one of the bottlenecks is lack of ATC. Wonder if there's any E-2's, AWACS or Customs P-3AEW's headed there?

Expeditionary ATC (probably not quite verbatim per the pub) is a TACRON core competency- those guys don't just hide out in TACC or go to neverending planning boards and meetings on the big deck :) For the full-on version think of it like putting the cammies on, going ashore, setting up radios/tents/generators and re-opening an airport. The scaled down version might be a makeshift location (for example, high school football field in Galveston a year and a half ago...). The Air Force has an equivalent capability too, they were talking about it on the radio around here yesterday. The Air Force also has their Redhorse expeditionary squadrons- think of them like Seabees but instead they build/fix runways (they can build a lot of other stuff too, just runways were the original purpose).

(Not trying to say there isn't room for airborne ATC to help out.)
 

Uncle Fester

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TACRONs would be good ashore. AFSOC does a lot of expeditionary airfield stuff, too. I was thinking TRACON-type stuff. You could park a DDG or CG offshore and boom, you've got instant 24/7 Approach, including an offset TACAN and GCA (to an extent).
 
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