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What is this VSS Rifle? Zissou?
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m0tbaillie
Former SWO
Probably. I see a pair of scissors and a walkie-talkie, too. He's probably on his way to fix someone's computer.
With a gun and a balaclava.
MasterBates
Well-Known Member
You WISH your future job was like that Mot.
m0tbaillie
Former SWO
I would guess OC spray if anything.
Yeah, that came to mind second...
Sweet Mother Of "........
Lesson learned, but I'll answer for my error.
Mot, the green duct tape is called Rigger's tape. I suspect you and Rigger's tape will be seeing alot of eachother, so might as well get the lingo down now . Its holding a 500ml bag of Saline and a 500ml bag of Hespan, along with tubing and 18ga catheters.
Eddie, Actually its a MK141 NFDD Grenade (flashbang)
Skidz, Nope. Its just a M-4 CQC.
Lesson learned, but I'll answer for my error.
Mot, the green duct tape is called Rigger's tape. I suspect you and Rigger's tape will be seeing alot of eachother, so might as well get the lingo down now . Its holding a 500ml bag of Saline and a 500ml bag of Hespan, along with tubing and 18ga catheters.
Eddie, Actually its a MK141 NFDD Grenade (flashbang)
Skidz, Nope. Its just a M-4 CQC.
m0tbaillie
Former SWO
Why will I be seeing a lot of Rigger's tape? Also, awesome on the flash bang. I've always wondered what it was like to get flashbanged. It pissed me off quite a bit in R6/Rogue Spear, I can only imagine what it'd be like in real life
I am certain that during the reign of the USSR the Spestnaz were pretty decent. And I would not doubt Zissou that some of their individual operators are top notch guys. But if recent history is to be the judge, today's Russian Spetsnaz forces are pretty close to worthless. The two highest profile missions of theirs in the past few years have ended in very high casualties, one was entirely their fault and one was compounded by some basic and common sense errors they made. In a word, they suck.
http://www.time.com/time/europe/html/040913/story.html
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/26/moscow.standoff/
Flash,
I dont think we would have done any better given the Beslan scenario. FBI HRT, which is world class, will tell you themselves nobody could have done anything better.
Those terrorists only came there to kill everyone, you cant really do much against people who want to kill and intend to die themselves.
The Theatre massacre is a similar scenario. They are lucky ANYONE survived.
You're right, without money nobody can be "good" at anything. But those two scenarios would have played out no different here.
I dont think we would have done any better given the Beslan scenario. FBI HRT, which is world class, will tell you themselves nobody could have done anything better.
Those terrorists only came there to kill everyone, you cant really do much against people who want to kill and intend to die themselves.
The Theatre massacre is a similar scenario. They are lucky ANYONE survived.
You're right, without money nobody can be "good" at anything. But those two scenarios would have played out no different here.
My point about the Beslan scenario was that while there would have been heavy casualties even if you had the best and brightest from the SAS, HRT etc, it was made much worse by the very basic errors and total lack of preparation on the part of the Russian security services, compounded by a response to the final fight that would have been better handled by the Tijuana PD. Granted, you can't blame the Spetsnaz Alpha guys for everything but among the things that were not done; a very poor perimeter set up to contain the terrorists or outside civilians, staging almost all 'special' forces far away from the scene with very few guys on hand to respond to anything immediate, lackluster and confused response when the action started on the final day, total and complete lack of fire discipline in the response and no preparation for the aftermath. The casualties were much higher because of some of these basic errors that any competent security force would have handled.
Like I said, it was not nearly all of the fault the Spetsnaz forces on scene, especially considering the politics involved with the security services in Russia, but even the Spetsnaz response was amateurish at best, a disaster at worst.
And using a gas that can kill people to help rescue them? Not very bright.
And I'll weigh in on what I know about the pic... My guess is that's a Georgian soldier, vice a Russian one. Look at the cammies... It's no coincidence that we did an exercise with them - and now their cammies look like Uncle Sam's Misguided Children's...
No it's a Russian soldier - the cammo is identical to these Russian soldiers escorting Georgian POWs on this New York times piece.
The first clue that they weren't Georgian is that the APC they are sitting on isn't destroyed
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/20/world/europe/20georgia.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
And here is another pic of Russian soldiers escorting Georgian POW's - and lo and behold one is using the same weapon!
http://www.southernledger.com/image...6df1-a8e388b3-2622-42d0-8127-a88d60abb19d.jpg
http://www.southernledger.com/image...6df1-a8e388b3-2622-42d0-8127-a88d60abb19d.jpg