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Wearing of multiple Wings/Warfare devices
- Thread starter Socrates
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If you were Air Crew while enlisted, you will still rate to wear those wings even after you commission. However, there are no officer billets as an Air Crewman besides those for Pilot and NFO. Pilot or NFO wings are just that, with no combat designators. There are several guys in flight school that still rate their AC wings until they get their Pilot/FO wings. Hope this helps.
We can still wear our Aircrew Wings with our Pilot/FO wings...
No
Might be different for the Squids, but I've seen Marines do it. That doesn't mean it's right, but it was right enough for a Captain and a Major to pull off at the Ball this year.
(3) Personnel with multiple qualifications,
may wear two insignia, placing one in the primary position
and the second in the secondary position, within the following
guidelines:
may wear two insignia, placing one in the primary position
and the second in the secondary position, within the following
guidelines:
(a) Only one insignia from any single
category of insignia listed above <(paragraph 5201.2.a.)>
is authorized for wear at the same time.
category of insignia listed above <(paragraph 5201.2.a.)>
is authorized for wear at the same time.
(b) Warfare qualification insignia
take precedence over other qualification insignia and are
placed in the primary position.
take precedence over other qualification insignia and are
placed in the primary position.
(c) Two warfare insignia, each from
separate warfare categories, are authorized following
these rules:
separate warfare categories, are authorized following
these rules:
1 The warfare insignia of the
specialty in which currently serving will be worn in the
primary position.
specialty in which currently serving will be worn in the
primary position.
2 If not currently serving in a
warfare specialty, or have not earned the warfare insignia
of the specialty in which currently serving: officers
will wear the insignia corresponding to their designator,
otherwise the warfare insignia earned first in the primary
position; all other personnel will wear the warfare insignia
earned first in the primary position.
warfare specialty, or have not earned the warfare insignia
of the specialty in which currently serving: officers
will wear the insignia corresponding to their designator,
otherwise the warfare insignia earned first in the primary
position; all other personnel will wear the warfare insignia
earned first in the primary position.
(4) If no longer designated as a warfare
specialist, continue wearing the earned warfare insignia,
following the guidelines of this chapter, unless
prohibited from doing so by administrative action.
specialist, continue wearing the earned warfare insignia,
following the guidelines of this chapter, unless
prohibited from doing so by administrative action.
(5) When insignia has both gold and silver
versions, enlisted personnel wear silver, officers wear
gold, within the following rules:
(a) Enlisted personnel who qualify for
insignia, and are subsequently advanced to officer status
continue wearing the enlisted insignia until qualified for
a corresponding officer insignia; then replace the
enlisted insignia with the officer insignia.
versions, enlisted personnel wear silver, officers wear
gold, within the following rules:
(a) Enlisted personnel who qualify for
insignia, and are subsequently advanced to officer status
continue wearing the enlisted insignia until qualified for
a corresponding officer insignia; then replace the
enlisted insignia with the officer insignia.
(c) Enlisted personnel, who qualified
in a warfare specialty as officers and were subsequently
reverted to enlisted status, may continue to wear the
officer insignia.
in a warfare specialty as officers and were subsequently
reverted to enlisted status, may continue to wear the
officer insignia.
Warfare and Other Qualification Insignia
a. Authorized Insignia. The listing below
constitutes those breast insignia, alphabetically by
category, authorized for wear on the naval uniform.
Breast or qualification insignia of other services shall
a. Authorized Insignia. The listing below
constitutes those breast insignia, alphabetically by
category, authorized for wear on the naval uniform.
Breast or qualification insignia of other services shall
not
be worn. Breast or qualification insignia of other
nations shall not be worn on the naval uniforms unless
specifically authorized by the Secretary of the Navy.
(1) Aviation Warfare Insignia
Naval Astronaut
Naval Astronaut (NFO)
Naval Aviator (Pilot)
Naval Aviation Observers and Flight
Meteorologists
Naval Flight Surgeons
Naval Flight Nurse
Naval Flight Officers
Aerospace Experimental Psychologist
and Aerospace Physiologists
Aviation Warfare Specialists
Naval Aviation Supply Corps
(2) Explosive Ordnance Disposal Warfare
Insignia
Master Explosive Ordnance Disposal
Senior Explosive Ordnance Disposal
Basic Explosive Ordnance Disposal
(3) Fleet Marine Force (FMF) Insignia
Fleet Marine Force Officer
Fleet Marine Force Officer (Chaplain)
Fleet Marine Force Enlisted Warfare
Specialist
(4) Seabee Combat Warfare Specialist
Insignia
(5) Special Operations Warfare Insignia
(6) Special Warfare Insignia
Special Warfare Insignia (SEAL)
Special Warfare Combatant-Craft
Crewman
(7) Submarine Warfare Insignia
Submarine (Dolphins)
Submarine Medical
Submarine Engineer Duty
Submarine Supply
(8) Surface Warfare Insignia
Surface Warfare
Surface Warfare Dental Corps
Surface Warfare Medical Corps
Surface Warfare Medical Service Corps
Surface Warfare Nurse Corps
Surface Warfare Supply Corps
(9) Aircrew Insignia
Navy Aircrew
Marine Corps Combat Aircrew
(10) Integrated Undersea Surveillance System
Insignia
(11) Officer In Charge/Petty Officer in
Charge
Small Craft
Craftmaster
(12) Parachutists Insignia
Naval Parachutist
Basic Parachutist
(13) Submarine Patrol Insignia
Submarine Combat Patrol
SSBN Deterrent Patrol
(14) Underwater Insignia
Diving Officer
Diving (Medical)
Master Diver
Diving (Medical Technician)
Diving, First Class
Diver, Second Class
Diver, Scuba
Deep Submergence
(15) U.S. Air Force Space
specifically authorized by the Secretary of the Navy.
(1) Aviation Warfare Insignia
Naval Astronaut
Naval Astronaut (NFO)
Naval Aviator (Pilot)
Naval Aviation Observers and Flight
Meteorologists
Naval Flight Surgeons
Naval Flight Nurse
Naval Flight Officers
Aerospace Experimental Psychologist
and Aerospace Physiologists
Aviation Warfare Specialists
Naval Aviation Supply Corps
(2) Explosive Ordnance Disposal Warfare
Insignia
Master Explosive Ordnance Disposal
Senior Explosive Ordnance Disposal
Basic Explosive Ordnance Disposal
(3) Fleet Marine Force (FMF) Insignia
Fleet Marine Force Officer
Fleet Marine Force Officer (Chaplain)
Fleet Marine Force Enlisted Warfare
Specialist
(4) Seabee Combat Warfare Specialist
Insignia
(5) Special Operations Warfare Insignia
(6) Special Warfare Insignia
Special Warfare Insignia (SEAL)
Special Warfare Combatant-Craft
Crewman
(7) Submarine Warfare Insignia
Submarine (Dolphins)
Submarine Medical
Submarine Engineer Duty
Submarine Supply
(8) Surface Warfare Insignia
Surface Warfare
Surface Warfare Dental Corps
Surface Warfare Medical Corps
Surface Warfare Medical Service Corps
Surface Warfare Nurse Corps
Surface Warfare Supply Corps
(9) Aircrew Insignia
Navy Aircrew
Marine Corps Combat Aircrew
(10) Integrated Undersea Surveillance System
Insignia
(11) Officer In Charge/Petty Officer in
Charge
Small Craft
Craftmaster
(12) Parachutists Insignia
Naval Parachutist
Basic Parachutist
(13) Submarine Patrol Insignia
Submarine Combat Patrol
SSBN Deterrent Patrol
(14) Underwater Insignia
Diving Officer
Diving (Medical)
Master Diver
Diving (Medical Technician)
Diving, First Class
Diver, Second Class
Diver, Scuba
Deep Submergence
(15) U.S. Air Force Space
To piggyback on Pickle, Marine regs are different. If you rate both, you can wear either Pilot or NFO wings, but not both. That said, if you wear the one that isn't your current designator, you're a douchebag.
Also, Pilot/NFO wings replace the EAWS wings, not the Aircrew ones. I have seen a prior wearing Pilot wings in the primary position, Aircrew wings in the secondary position, and a gold belt buckle with an Enlisted Air Warfare pin on it. I'm pretty sure that's kosher.
Maybe i didn't ask my question right.
My question is if a Marine was prior enlisted and earned aircrew wings (gold) can he then earn his Combat Aircrew Wings (silver) after he receives a commission. I have seen Warrant Officers do this so I know that that is possible. If a warrant officer can do it then why can't a commissioned officer? Or can they?
My question is if a Marine was prior enlisted and earned aircrew wings (gold) can he then earn his Combat Aircrew Wings (silver) after he receives a commission. I have seen Warrant Officers do this so I know that that is possible. If a warrant officer can do it then why can't a commissioned officer? Or can they?
Socrates is talking about these:
The Navy no longer has these wings.
Without looking up the Marine regualtions, I would say the answer to your question is no. It is an aircrewman award and once you are commissioned and designated a pilot, NFO, grunt, etc. you are no longer an aircrewman. On the other hand, a Warrant Officer can still be an aircrewman. WOs are specialist and usually serve in the same specialty as a WO as they did as an enlistedman.
The Navy no longer has these wings.
When did the Marines place these back into service?
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I've never understood the rationale of the "two pins, same category" rule. If you rate it, you rate wearing it, what the hell does the "category" matter?
Well, anyway. The deal with the CAC wings is that they're sort of an "upgrade" of the regular Aircrew wings. As the name suggests, once you've served as an AC in combat, you rate wearing the CAC.
So I think what Socrates is asking is, if you've earned the AC wings as a prior, then get comissioned, then fly in combat, can you still "upgrade"?
My answer would be, if you're flying as a pilot or FO, I doubt it. You're no longer serving as an aircrew, so you wouldn't really rate the CAC wings. If you were an officer and part of a flight crew in combat but not as a pilot or FO - though I can't imagine any position in the MC where you'd be doing that - one could make the argument, I guess. Just don't strech the point to a technicality.
The Navy no longer awards CAC wings, but they do allow Sailors who earned them while serving with the Corps to wear them. Usually, that's docs who were already Aircrew and were assigned to a Marine squadron. There was recently an HMC around P'cola who earned them in Iraq.
Well, anyway. The deal with the CAC wings is that they're sort of an "upgrade" of the regular Aircrew wings. As the name suggests, once you've served as an AC in combat, you rate wearing the CAC.
So I think what Socrates is asking is, if you've earned the AC wings as a prior, then get comissioned, then fly in combat, can you still "upgrade"?
My answer would be, if you're flying as a pilot or FO, I doubt it. You're no longer serving as an aircrew, so you wouldn't really rate the CAC wings. If you were an officer and part of a flight crew in combat but not as a pilot or FO - though I can't imagine any position in the MC where you'd be doing that - one could make the argument, I guess. Just don't strech the point to a technicality.
The Navy no longer awards CAC wings, but they do allow Sailors who earned them while serving with the Corps to wear them. Usually, that's docs who were already Aircrew and were assigned to a Marine squadron. There was recently an HMC around P'cola who earned them in Iraq.
Clux4
Banned
Yes, becuase Marine regs allow that.
Just like guys that go to ANGLICO for their B billet and end up getting the gold jump wings.
Reading comprehension......Nittany said Marines are different.
Then of course, you never could understand how your going from an enlisted FE to an officer FE in a foreign military doesn't entitle you to have USN NFO wings here......