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USNA Curriculum - Plebe Year

Gatordev

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Then again, I guess the Academy only takes the best and most well prepared in the country.

Eh, not necessarily. It's a little more complicated than that. The service academies also take those that are demographically convenient. Getting into the academy isn't just about getting into the school, but you also have to navigate the congressional nomination process. Depending on where you live affects how "easy" that might be.
 

edforescas

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I get that all schools now want diversity. But, isn't the academy curriculum heavy on STEM while juggling all the other responsibilities of a midshipman? I doubt the average high school student could handle it.
 

Gatordev

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I get that all schools now want diversity. But, isn't the academy curriculum heavy on STEM while juggling all the other responsibilities of a midshipman? I doubt the average high school student could handle it.

I'm not sure I understand your question. I never said "diversity," I said demographics. The nomination process is a relatively separate but parallel process that is also very competitive, but can be "less" competitive in some parts of the country than others. It doesn't have anything to do with diversity, just number of people interested in applying within a district or state.
 

FormerRecruitingGuru

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I get that all schools now want diversity. But, isn't the academy curriculum heavy on STEM while juggling all the other responsibilities of a midshipman? I doubt the average high school student could handle it.

And I doubt the “average high school student” is applying to USNA knowing the commitment during and after the Academy.
 

edforescas

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I'm not sure I understand your question. I never said "diversity," I said demographics. The nomination process is a relatively separate but parallel process that is also very competitive, but can be "less" competitive in some parts of the country than others. It doesn't have anything to do with diversity, just number of people interested in applying within a district or state.
Well, there is also diversity in geographic diversity. I know a kid who is from Tennessee who got into Harvard. Sure, he was smart: valedictorian and perfect math SAT. But, if he had the same academic profile was from say, NY, NJ, CT, or CA, I am not so sure he would have been admitted. Maybe. Maybe not.
 

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Well, there is also diversity in geographic diversity. I know a kid who is from Tennessee who got into Harvard. Sure, he was smart: valedictorian and perfect math SAT. But, if he had the same academic profile was from say, NY, NJ, CT, or CA, I am not so sure he would have been admitted. Maybe. Maybe not.
We need a replacement for diversity - call it adversity score. The vast majority of service academy selectees come from upper income, two parent families who themselves are products of upper tier colleges.

We need an adversity score as the real diversity needed is in wealth. It's relatively straightforward for a kid from a 2 parent household of upper income to compete for an Ivy or Service Academy.

We need kids from single parent household where there was no time or money to play sports, or join a club and be a leader, or have access to technology or tutors. Admit more kids from households making under $50k /year - now that's diversity.
 

edforescas

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We need a replacement for diversity - call it adversity score. The vast majority of service academy selectees come from upper income, two parent families who themselves are products of upper tier colleges.

We need an adversity score as the real diversity needed is in wealth. It's relatively straightforward for a kid from a 2 parent household of upper income to compete for an Ivy or Service Academy.

We need kids from single parent household where there was no time or money to play sports, or join a club and be a leader, or have access to technology or tutors. Admit more kids from households making under $50k /year - now that's diversity.
BRAVO! The Harvard kid was also the son of college chemistry professor (he sat in one of his dad's and earned an A). While not wealthy by any means, a college professor is most certainly making a lot more than 50K a year.
 

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We need a replacement for diversity - call it adversity score. The vast majority of service academy selectees come from upper income, two parent families who themselves are products of upper tier colleges.

We need an adversity score as the real diversity needed is in wealth. It's relatively straightforward for a kid from a 2 parent household of upper income to compete for an Ivy or Service Academy.

We need kids from single parent household where there was no time or money to play sports, or join a club and be a leader, or have access to technology or tutors. Admit more kids from households making under $50k /year - now that's diversity.
I sat on a scholarship board for a small organization in a small town, and the kids on your last paragraph that had good grades but none of the other stuff just got flat left out of the running to get a scholarship. I pointed this out to the board, well most of the board was like they don’t have the extra curricular activities so tough luck. It really annoyed me and was an eye opener as to how the system was rigged to the privileged kids. Never did it again.🤯
 

Brett327

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The vast majority of service academy selectees come from upper income, two parent families who themselves are products of upper tier colleges.
I don’t know whether this is true or not, but considering the source, this sounds like something you pulled directly out of your own asshole. Two parent families… yeah, OK, but upper tier colleges? Where you come up with that?
 

Gatordev

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Well, there is also diversity in geographic diversity. I know a kid who is from Tennessee who got into Harvard. Sure, he was smart: valedictorian and perfect math SAT. But, if he had the same academic profile was from say, NY, NJ, CT, or CA, I am not so sure he would have been admitted. Maybe. Maybe not.

While the reason is different, we're actually discussing similar things. I just didn't want to use the D-word to avoid confusion with the modern-day connotation.
 

cfam

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I don’t know whether this is true or not, but considering the source, this sounds like something you pulled directly out of your own asshole. Two parent families… yeah, OK, but upper tier colleges? Where you come up with that?
Sample size from one dude and my immediate friend group, but definitely not the case for the upper income, upper tier colleges part. Heck, my dad didn’t even go to college, and my best friend’s parents were two senior enlisted marines. I’m sure there are some commonalities across academy selectees, but these aren’t it.
 

Hair Warrior

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As a statistician, I’m gonna say we likely have some confounding variables at play here. For one, children of successful military officers/ naval officers probably apply to service academies at higher rates, perhaps to continue a family tradition of military service or because they see first-hand the life benefits of being a long-serving military officer, and successful retired officers (the parents of the applicant) probably are in the upper middle class due to a combo of their military benefits and career options post-military. Second, you may see the phenomena of rich kids/ upper middle class kids wanting to “buck the family” by going into the military for a variety of reasons, especially if their parents did not serve, perhaps to “prove something” or avoid getting stuck working in the “family business.” Lastly, there are highly qualified middle class and lower middle class kids from a variety of backgrounds, sometimes from 1st or 2nd generation immigrant families, who would make outstanding military officers/ service academy applicants, but are perhaps not applying because they don’t think they’re competitive, don’t know how to obtain the Congressional endorsement, and/or it’s otherwise not on their radar as an option. We want more of these applicants but the service academies get so many applicants anyway (and have finite budgets) that proactively scouting and recruiting them to apply is a challenge. So you have some self-selection bias all around.

Conclusion: Not necessarily “rigged for privileged kids.” Probably a combination of self-selection factors and heterogenous process knowledge (i.e. it’s more complex than applying to a regular college so nonpublic insights/gouge give certain applicants a leg up) that result in a different applicant pool for service academies than you’d typically see at other colleges.
 
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