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NEWS USAF Fighter And Bomber Crews Get Modified M4 Rifles That Fit Under Ejection Seats
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Based on accuracy, rate of fire, range, reliability, and size of magazines...I’d absolutely take a rifle/carbine than an M9. Id put a solid chunk of change that >95% of Naval Avaitors are absolute dog shit when it comes to employing said M9 on an actual living target that is trying to kill/capture you... oh yeah and it’s probably at night, you didn’t know where you put your other magazine on your survival vest, bother to know how switch it off safe, probably didn’t clean it in the last 4 months either... shit was it condition 1 when I pulled it out of the holster? Fuck, Can’t remember...
I’d rather have an M4...regardless of the extremely low probability or requirement that I’d have to use it. The M4 is like the Nintendo of rifles for the last two generations. Your grandma could pick that thing up, load it, chamber a round, and be accurate at 100m. This is a stupid conversation. The question should be why it took so long for it to happen.
I agree with most of what you said but I inspected my M9 and chambered a round before every time I flew in combat. I would have preferred a rifle.
Durant was the only pilot (or aircrew for that matter) to survive the loss of their helicopter. Wolcott and Briley were killed when Super 61 went down along with the entire aircrew. Ray Frank, the co-pilot of Super 64, and the aircrew all died in the crash.
A very speculative point not based on reality, really thin ice for this argument sicne we could come up with countless scenarios of what may or may not have happened. I'm trying to focus on what actually has happened.
It wasn't a study but an interesting note made by the authors of the book, to find details on the RA-5C crewman's adventure is actually pretty hard and the second account I've only seen in that book and even in there it is only an anecdote with no details or name fo the aircrew.
'Everyone' didn't expect they would be taken alive in Vietnam, there were several well-known instances where contact was established with downed aircrew then shortly thereafter lost due to locals or enemy troops killing them after being discovered. That is actually a source of controversy for several aircrew who were originally assumed to be captured based on the contact established after being shot down but later declared KIA. There were several similar instances in WWII and Korea as well, especially when locals were the first to encounter downed aircrew.
His was an escape, a completely different scenario than the one we are talking about, unless you can somehow smuggle that M4 into a prison camp.
Yes, training.
PO Neil Roberts probably went out of that -47 with 300 plus rifle rounds. On an average mission in Afghanistan or Iraq I would carry 270 rounds on my body and stash hundreds more in the truck. The 120 rounds offered in the USAF kit isn't a lot of ammunition in a fire fight, even for a very good shooter.
I still don't understand how one of these can fit in a seat pan, even if they break it down for "some assembly required."
I'd only be interested if it has a loudspeaker mounted on the turret. And no negative waves.
I still don't understand how one of these can fit in a seat pan, even if they break it down for "some assembly required."
Certainly not early in the morning!
Antique pop culture references! You guys are the best.
