Correct. PR's who load seat kits haven't had the appropriate bullet training so until that GMT can be promulgated to the ranks kits will be sans bullets. Because, safety.
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NEWS USAF Fighter And Bomber Crews Get Modified M4 Rifles That Fit Under Ejection Seats
- Thread starter ChuckMK23
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Why do you hate Safety???
This a surprisingly obtuse question and you know the answer. I'm not arguing the logistics or even the prioritization of the thing. I'm just saying that I would rather have an M4 than a 9mm if I'm out doing SERE for real. Which is not what was originally being discussed at the start of the thread.
Nah, they’ll just be targeted by an aircraft that was built to operate from land bases.
So, in other words, nothing you've said on the topic has any applicability to reality. Got it.
The more I think about it, it's probably already promulgated, but it would be in an esams course that won't show up in your profile unless your command esams manager has configured your profile the right way so you can enroll in the course at all, but there is no way of anyone knowing that because even though the instructions on how to do that are only a few clicks away, they are in a menu where no sane person would think to look, and you're better off calling the help desk to find this out, even though you this is a case of you don't know what you don't know so you wouldn't actually know that you're supposed to ask for it.
I mean... duh...
No, what I said was that I thought this was a good idea and I think it could be worked into the procurement process. Our seats are probably too small anyways.
You are the one making shit up talking about “what if the seat pan isn’t big enough?” How is that applicable to reality?
Agreed. It is the kind of thing we find out during work ups and then forget again.
Do you know that it is? I suspect, particularly with the new O2 system, that it isn’t. The USAF also doesn’t carry a raft in most situations. So, what you would theoretically prefer in a SERE situation isn’t particularly relevant to whether USN seat pans can or should be fitted with an M4.
Yes dear.
Except it would be the Air Force jumping out of a helo and it looks like they’re ok with it
Related to this thread somewhat, according to the book 'Leave No Man Behind: The Saga of Combat Search and Rescue' there were apparently only two instances in Vietnam where aircrew discharged their sidearm to successfully protect themselves. One was a guy who shortly after landing had a local charge at him with a machete, he shot and killed the guy then ran and was shortly thereafter captured and spent years as a POW but returned home alive.
The second instance is a story straight out of a Hollywood movie. LTJG Francis S. Prendergast was an RA-5C NFO whose plane was shot down on March 9, 1967. To summarize from the book, Pendergrast landed about 200 yds off the beach after punching out and was captured by several Vietnamese who took away his issue sidearm. They started marching him to the beach with his hands up but every time they were buzzed by the rescue helo's escort planes, which had all just showed up, the Vietnamese would duck in the surf for cover. Pendergrast took this opportunity to pull out his 'backup' .22 pistol and shoot one of his captors between the eyes and knock the other on his ass. He then ran to the helo and was rescued, getting the Navy Cross for his escape.
Not sure it adds much to the thread but it is a pretty badass story.
The second instance is a story straight out of a Hollywood movie. LTJG Francis S. Prendergast was an RA-5C NFO whose plane was shot down on March 9, 1967. To summarize from the book, Pendergrast landed about 200 yds off the beach after punching out and was captured by several Vietnamese who took away his issue sidearm. They started marching him to the beach with his hands up but every time they were buzzed by the rescue helo's escort planes, which had all just showed up, the Vietnamese would duck in the surf for cover. Pendergrast took this opportunity to pull out his 'backup' .22 pistol and shoot one of his captors between the eyes and knock the other on his ass. He then ran to the helo and was rescued, getting the Navy Cross for his escape.
Not sure it adds much to the thread but it is a pretty badass story.
How did he unwrap his ammunition and load his weapon fast enough?
