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US Navy fires on Polish Port

Gydina.... that was a hell of a port. Old Polish WWII DD and a firing range run by a former GROM bubba in an old Luftwaffe bunker. ( He was alota fun to talk to and great to shoot with.) If you ever wanna feel like your wandering around a 1980s Soviet era city, stick your head into that town.
 
BFD ... it happens. It's called an 'accident'.

I dropped on a covey of barges once after I was in my run & the lead got cold feet 'cause he couldn't positive ID & called:
'ABORT, ABORT, ABORT' !!!

I called 'BOMBS AWAY'.

The BDA was righteous ... :)

However ... it was NOT an 'accident'. It was later called a 'good hit'. :)
 
CRON- Correct- and how exactly will the CO of the USN vessel justify todays actions vs. the Ruskys involvement with Poland at the end of WWII?
 
fc2spyguy said:
I'd say this was slightly worse. Killing the Captain, and several other crew, of another ship . . . shit happens . . . http://articles.latimes.com/1992-10-02/news/mn-339_1_turkish-ship
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That incident is an entirely different kettle of fish. A little bit after midnight, the Captain calls away General Quarters and the Petty Officer manning the Missile Battery didn't get it was a drill and thought he was supposed to fire...so he did. Same thing happened with a Saratoga-based Tomcat that intercepted a USAF RF-4C Phantom. The E-2C calls away "Red and Free" and pilot confirms it with RIO who thinks he means exercise and says "GO ahead and shoot 'em (meaning a simulated shot). Pilot arms up and scratch one RF-4.
 
heyjoe said:
Same thing happened with a Saratoga-based Tomcat that intercepted a USAF RF-4C Phantom. The E-2C calls away "Red and Free" and pilot confirms it with RIO who thinks he means exercise and says "GO ahead and shoot 'em (meaning a simulated shot). Pilot arms up and scratch one RF-4.
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Was this in Oct 87? I got asked to leave Mildenhall AFB over that. I had taken a few days leave when the Forrestal was in Portsmouth. The RF-4's squadron was based there.
 
The rumor mill has reported that after the USS VINCENNES shot down Iran Air flight 655 they flew a banner on thier stern as the departed the Gulf that said; "Shit Happens".
Don't know if it's true, but it's dammed funny!
 
JIMC5499 said:
Was this in Oct 87? I got asked to leave Mildenhall AFB over that. I had taken a few days leave when the Forrestal was in Portsmouth. The RF-4's squadron was based there.
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I must have been too busy drinking to remember this.
 
helolumpy said:
The rumor mill has reported that after the USS VINCENNES shot down Iran Air flight 655 they flew a banner on thier stern as the departed the Gulf that said; "Shit Happens".
Don't know if it's true, but it's dammed funny!
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Highly doubtful. I'm sure the Captain and crew weren't that flippant about killing a bunch of innocent civilians. In fact, I'm sure most of them felt pretty fucking low - I know I would.

Brett
 
helolumpy said:
The rumor mill has reported that after the USS VINCENNES shot down Iran Air flight 655 they flew a banner on thier stern as the departed the Gulf that said; "Shit Happens".
Don't know if it's true, but it's dammed funny!
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Brett327 said:
Highly doubtful. I'm sure the Captain and crew weren't that flippant about killing a bunch of innocent civilians. In fact, I'm sure most of them felt pretty fucking low - I know I would.

Brett
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I sure don't remember it, and the Vincennes was part of our group.
 
Most of you aren't old enough to remember the USS Vincennes/IR 655 incident, or most probably don't remember the 'temperature of the times' and the 10-15 years that had preceded the event. I can attest to the fact that there WAS a lot of less than respectful 'gallows humor' going on after the shoot-down and there was little, if any, hand-wringing over the event on this side of the Persian Gulf, certainly not in the U.S. military community. You must remember -- Iranians were NOT high up on the top-10 Christmas card list for most Americans in 1988 and the years going back to the fall of the Shah ...

Iran Air Flight 655 - Wiki

The CAPT -- Will Rogers III -- was supposedly 'looking for a fight', as was witnessed from his reportedly aggressive tactics leading up to the shoot-down. The Vincennes was still relatively new as was the AEGIS system ... and I think someone wanted to 'test it' and someone wanted a kill.

CAPT Will C. Rogers III - Wiki
 
As I have stated before on this site, I was flying in support of the Vincennes during this incident and intimately involved. Until we landed a couple of hours later, I believed it was a F-14 that was shot down. Based on the info I had on data link, ESM and via the radios, I thought then it was a good decision to shoot and I still believe that today. I lose no sleep over my role.

There is a lot more to this incident then will ever be public and a lot that only the Iranians know.

But I will confirm that Vincennes with Captain Rogers was the most aggressive USN ship in the Gulf. I had a couple of incidents where he tried to take control of me and task me against my ROE (as MC, I refused). However I don't believe this aggressiveness had anything to do with the shoot down. Any Captain would have taken the shot based on the info Captain Rogers had available.
 
HAL Pilot said:
As I have stated before on this site, I was flying in support of the Vincennes during this incident and intimately involved. Until we landed a couple of hours later, I believed it was a F-14 that was shot down. Based on the info I had on data link, ESM and via the radios, I thought then it was a good decision to shoot and I still believe that today. I lose no sleep over my role.
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This is what I remember hearing following the shoot down. HAL Pilot, what squadron were you with?
 
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