vegita1220 said:
It was Eino Juutilainen, 94 kills while serving with the Finnish Air Force. He flew the Brewster Buffalo (popular with the Finns, and pretty much no one else) and Me-109's.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/goe/eaglebios/84bios/juutil84.htm
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Unusual Vietnam MiG kills
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It was Eino Juutilainen, 94 kills while serving with the Finnish Air Force. He flew the Brewster Buffalo (popular with the Finns, and pretty much no one else) and Me-109's.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/goe/eaglebios/84bios/juutil84.htm
mpdonnelly
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One of Chuck Yeager's ME 262 kills was on the ground.
The Japanese had a very loose standard for kills. It seemed, according to some historians, that if a Japanese pilot fired at a target, it was a kill. Obviously a lot of confusion back in the day with a lot of pilots firing at the same target but not seeing the other pilots firing at the same target. For example, when the Japanese attacked Midway, they shot down 15 aircraft I believe (13 Buffalo's and 2 Wildcats) but claimed 41 kills. In my recollection, only 21 Marine fighters took off to do battle. Standard practice of overclaiming by the Japanese.
flyingswo said:
It wasn't credited as an aerial kill. If I remember correctly, the Me-262 that he shot down with while airborne was wheels down and on final approach. This was the preferred method for getting the German jets because they were at their most vunerable.
The criteria to be credited for a kill now is pretty strict. Two guys I knew who worked in the CAOC during OIF described the rules for being credited with a kill as being several pages long, they had a good laugh about it. This was in between all the staff officers talking about what medals they were going to put themselves in for at the end of the war, including Bronze Stars.....
Pags said:
They are not counted in history books or official kill totals that the USAF keeps for aerial kills. The reasoning behind this was to encourage the fighter pilots to go down low and destroy the Luftwaffe before it coul dget off the ground, a dangerous assignment with a much higher likelyhood getting your a@# shot off.
bunk22 said:
MIDWAY then:
MIDWAY now: View from 35,000'. Sand Island is the developed part of the atoll, it has been increased in size with coral dredged from the lagoon. It contains the major jet airfield, seaplane ramps, docks, and all other facilities, buildings, and supply. Eastern Island is basically abandoned and seen peek-a-boo in the first thumbnail.
Attachments
No Hotels? No Resorts? But seriously... who takes care of that place?
MIDWAY ISLAND today ...
Of course, the U.S. Navy "owned" Midway before and after June 1942 until about 1996-1997. That was when, by Presidential executive order that the jurisdiction was transferred to Fish & Wildlife (F&W) in the Dept of the Interior. Good deal, you say? Not hardly, as it was then determined that the field could NO LONGER BE USED FOR EMERGENCY BINGOS AS THE "MONEY" TO RUN IT WAS NO LONGER AVAILABLE". This was OUTRAGEOUS !!! :icon_rage
The Dept of Interior has laid many onerous rules & regulations on any visitation to the area (so typical) and you cannot even sail the chain from Honolulu without "special permission" and a transponder on your boat -- to make sure you do not commit the unspeakable "crime" of stopping at any islands on the route. :icon_rage
"GOONEY BIRDS" a.k.a. Laysan albatross
This is the greatest problem with Midway today --- Gooney Birds, and the F&W bureaucrats who believe that the "protection", care and feeding of these Laysan albatross (the PC bureaucrats don't like to call them Gooney Birds -- denigrates 'em) is more important than maintaining an emergency divert field for humans strapped into airplanes. :icon_rage
I was involved in the bureaucratic labyrinth-like process of getting Midway back "on-line" as an emergency divert bingo field. It is still back "on" and "off" and "on" and "off" as the excuse is always given as money. But in reality, (what is that??) it is primarily due to a hard environmental agenda within F&W as well as their bugetary $$$$ and power -- my opinion -- (or is it power and $$$$) -- I can never figure out what the order is .... ?? The two-engine big-birds would have a problem being "legal" without Midway on the trans-Pac routes, so that figured heavily into the mix when the bean-counters became enlightened as to the overwater requirements of aircraft and route certification. Wake is usually too far south of the track system, and as Johnston "glowed" too much in the dark it is now CLOSED. Permanently .... but it was too far south as well. Midway was and is the name of the game.
CAL 777 in the "HURT LOCKER"
This is a pix of a Continental 777 that landed @ MIDWAY on an emergency divert in early January. HUH?? You mean "it" happens ?? What a suprise, yes ??
The current Midway story is interesting and it has since it has nothing to do with "Unusual Vietnam MiG Kills" and I do have a semi-humorous story about Midway and the Navy tower -- perhaps I will transfer "it" over to the 747 thread in COMMERCIAL AVIATION?? Yes?? NO?? MAYBE?? Anyway, more later ....
ROGER BALL !!
Of course, the U.S. Navy "owned" Midway before and after June 1942 until about 1996-1997. That was when, by Presidential executive order that the jurisdiction was transferred to Fish & Wildlife (F&W) in the Dept of the Interior. Good deal, you say? Not hardly, as it was then determined that the field could NO LONGER BE USED FOR EMERGENCY BINGOS AS THE "MONEY" TO RUN IT WAS NO LONGER AVAILABLE". This was OUTRAGEOUS !!! :icon_rage
The Dept of Interior has laid many onerous rules & regulations on any visitation to the area (so typical) and you cannot even sail the chain from Honolulu without "special permission" and a transponder on your boat -- to make sure you do not commit the unspeakable "crime" of stopping at any islands on the route. :icon_rage
This is the greatest problem with Midway today --- Gooney Birds, and the F&W bureaucrats who believe that the "protection", care and feeding of these Laysan albatross (the PC bureaucrats don't like to call them Gooney Birds -- denigrates 'em) is more important than maintaining an emergency divert field for humans strapped into airplanes. :icon_rage
I was involved in the bureaucratic labyrinth-like process of getting Midway back "on-line" as an emergency divert bingo field. It is still back "on" and "off" and "on" and "off" as the excuse is always given as money. But in reality, (what is that??) it is primarily due to a hard environmental agenda within F&W as well as their bugetary $$$$ and power -- my opinion -- (or is it power and $$$$) -- I can never figure out what the order is .... ?? The two-engine big-birds would have a problem being "legal" without Midway on the trans-Pac routes, so that figured heavily into the mix when the bean-counters became enlightened as to the overwater requirements of aircraft and route certification. Wake is usually too far south of the track system, and as Johnston "glowed" too much in the dark it is now CLOSED. Permanently .... but it was too far south as well. Midway was and is the name of the game.
This is a pix of a Continental 777 that landed @ MIDWAY on an emergency divert in early January. HUH?? You mean "it" happens ?? What a suprise, yes ??
The current Midway story is interesting and it has since it has nothing to do with "Unusual Vietnam MiG Kills" and I do have a semi-humorous story about Midway and the Navy tower -- perhaps I will transfer "it" over to the 747 thread in COMMERCIAL AVIATION?? Yes?? NO?? MAYBE?? Anyway, more later ....