United States signs peace deal with Taliban

[Notanaviator]

I think a lot of post WWII success had to do with the fact that both Germany and Japan were high functioning societies prior to the war. While they weren't necessarily democracies they had prior democratic vestiges and high levels of societal and technological advancement.

As y’all would put it, shack. Outside of some selectively pretty nuanced handling with the Japanese by McArthur, we took successes in those cases that were grounded in not starting from square one, and based our approach to nation building from there on in the idea that we can give an opponent democracy and be good to go. It has... not usually worked.

 

[picklesuit]

Some people just aren’t made for democracy based governance. Let them have their warlords and tribes...

 

[Griz882]

LOL

Yeah, I know, and I deserve the chuckle, but I served on the ground dealing with the people and training their soldiers. It’s no more than I might hope for any other fucked up place.

 

[IKE]

Some people just aren’t made for democracy based governance. Let them have their warlords and tribes...

It's really hard to read this as anything other than racist, particularly because of the word "made." Made by whom? and how? I'm not saying you're racist, but it's the interwebs, and the words you choose are all we have to go by.

Perhaps you meant the more nuanced, "tribalism is so entrenched in some peoples/cultures/nations that no external entity can hope to convert them to democracy; they'll just have to evolve (culturally, not genetically)."

 

[Brett327]

It's really hard to read this as anything other than racist, particularly because of the word "made." Made by whom? and how? I'm not saying you're racist, but it's the interwebs, and the words you choose are all we have to go by.

Perhaps you meant the more nuanced, "tribalism is so entrenched in some peoples/cultures/nations that no external entity can hope to convert them to democracy; they'll just have to evolve (culturally, not genetically)."

It’s not a function of race. Afghans aren’t a race anyhow. It’s a function of culture. Culture can and should be critiqued. There are aspects of white, black Latino and Asian cultures that should be examined. Unfortunately, that gets confused for racism.

 

[Treetop Flyer]

Afghanistan is a shithole country with a garbage culture. How’s that?

 

[bubblehead]

Wonder how this will impact Reserve mobilizations

 

[nittany03]

Wonder how this will impact Reserve mobilizations

12304(b) authorities already exist for just this reason—decoupling the MOB train with OCO. All a unit has to do is successfully POM for a MOB billet "in support of GCC requirements" and less than 365 days active duty. So your standard 10-month BOG we all know and love. All the same bennies, dwell and everything, because it's an invol MOB. My unit is spooling up the process to try to support our active component, as our XO is a GS on the civ side and knows the ins and outs of the process.

Whether the Joint Staff and Fleet Forces actually uses 12304(b) going forward? Check the Magic 8-Ball, I guess.

10 U.S. Code § 12304b

(Oh, and DJ is still a thing, too . . .)

 

[IRfly]

Some people just aren’t made for democracy based governance. Let them have their warlords and tribes...

Not sure if you're talking about Alabama or Afghanistan...

 

[robav8r]

It's really hard to read this as anything other than racist, particularly because of the word "made." Made by whom? and how? I'm not saying you're racist, but it's the interwebs, and the words you choose are all we have to go by.

Perhaps you meant the more nuanced, "tribalism is so entrenched in some peoples/cultures/nations that no external entity can hope to convert them to democracy; they'll just have to evolve (culturally, not genetically)."

 

[Python]

It's really hard to read this as anything other than racist, particularly because of the word "made." Made by whom? and how? I'm not saying you're racist, but it's the interwebs, and the words you choose are all we have to go by.

Perhaps you meant the more nuanced, "tribalism is so entrenched in some peoples/cultures/nations that no external entity can hope to convert them to democracy; they'll just have to evolve (culturally, not genetically)."

My mind immediately went to a culture of people or a particular country’s citizenry, not an ethnic group. Really easy to not read that as racist.

 

[HAL Pilot]

It's really hard to read this as anything other than racist, particularly because of the word "made." Made by whom? and how? I'm not saying you're racist, but it's the interwebs, and the words you choose are all we have to go by.

Perhaps you meant the more nuanced, "tribalism is so entrenched in some peoples/cultures/nations that no external entity can hope to convert them to democracy; they'll just have to evolve (culturally, not genetically)."

Give me a fucking break.

 

[picklesuit]

It's really hard to read this as anything other than racist, particularly because of the word "made." Made by whom? and how? I'm not saying you're racist, but it's the interwebs, and the words you choose are all we have to go by.

Perhaps you meant the more nuanced, "tribalism is so entrenched in some peoples/cultures/nations that no external entity can hope to convert them to democracy; they'll just have to evolve (culturally, not genetically)."

Pashtun, Tajik, Hazara, Uzbek, Aymāq, Turkmen, Baloch, Pashai, Nuristani, Gujjar, Arab, Brahui, Pamiri, doesn’t matter what race. That country is an unmitigated shithole that only understands power through force and/or money.
They just don’t get the concept of a peaceful transfer of power based on a representative vote of their citizens.
They get tribalism and warlords....

 

[scoolbubba]

I’m sure there are afghans who understand the peaceful transfer of power and democratic institutions.

They just all are about to get beheaded by the dude wiping his ass with his left hand while wearing flip flops and carrying a 50 year old Kalashnikov.

 

[IRfly]

Afghanistan is a shithole country with a garbage culture. How’s that?

Gotta admire that 2300-year home winning streak, tho...