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U.S. Draft back in 2005?
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buck_ttu06
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Good idea, lets get back on track here. My personal opinion is that if the current state of affairs continue, all of the KIA's and wounded, piss pour ability of the Iraqi Security forces, and the fact that our presence will be needed for years to come... yes, we will see the need for the draft to be reinstated. Largely for only the Army branch though. For the most part, they are the ones suffering the most KIA and wounded. I don't really listen much to what officials say in an election year. The fact that they gave the Selective Service System a $24 million dollar budget increase, have a link asking for volunteers to apply for selection boards "just in case", and that our military has been shrunk so much that we are now being spread then... leads me to think something is headed our way. That is just my two cents though, everyone else may think otherwise.
kohlmeyerdp
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Why is everyone bludgeoning the fact that others contributed to the war? Duh! The US NEVER at any point during the war, to include the Battle of the Bulge, faced more than 10% of German forces. The rest were on the Eastern Front. My point was that the need for the draft was DEFINITELY pronounced after Pearl Harbor. Unlike the world fighting the Axis in 1944, in December, 1941 we were the ONLY significant force arrayed against the Axis. As I said before, Britain was reeling from Dunkirk and the Soviet Union was on it's heels with the Wehrmacht 100 miles from Moscow. China was largely corraled by Japan and Vichy France was content with Nazi occupation. Obviously, this was not the situation in 1942 after Barbarossa and Stalingrad, but in 1941, we were the only reliable hope.
kohlmeyerdp said:
I still strenuously disagree with you but I am obviously not going to change your mind on this thread, and I am starting to risk looking like the Special Olympics sprinter. My only advice is to read a lot more history, and not from guys like Stephen E. Ambrose and James Bradley (Flyboys). While they are admirable historians they write a limited perspective on WWII.
By the way, Barbarossa was the name of the German invasion of the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941, not the offensive in the Caucasus. The Battle for Stalingrad ended in Jan/Feb 1943 with the defeat of 200,000 Axis troops. The Battle for North Africa ended in May 1943 with the defeat of 275,000 troops by American and Commonwealth forces. The Americans only got into the act in November 1942 with Operation Torch, the invasion of North Africa. When were we the only ones fighting?
As for the draft, if it does happen the drinks will be on me that night. We don't need it and it has a snowballs chance in hell.
kohlmeyerdp
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Why is it so difficult for you to understand the time period I'm referring to? Everything you keep citing takes place AFTER Pearl Harbor. I understand that a coalition was forming AFTER US entry into the war. However, when the US entered the war in December, 1941, Russia and Britain were on the verge of collapse. There was no other significant military presence arrayed against the Germans that could be depended upon to exist in the foreseeable future. What point are you disagreeing with? Obviously, as the war progressed, more nations joined in the effort.
kohlmeyerdp
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And, yes, I'm aware of what Barbarossa was. Why do you think I'm referring to the Caucuses?
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Obviously I am misunderstanding you. I keep citing things because after Pearl Harbor was when we joined the fight, obviously. My only point was that many Americans think that guys like the "Band of Brothers" were solely responsible for defeating Hitler. I have gotten my point across that is not that case.
kohlmeyerdp
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Right. I've actually read estimates that say factoring in the loss of manpower (some 20 million) and industrial capacity, the Soviet Union lost the equivalent of 25 years of GDP fighting in WWII. Obviously, they bore the brunt of it.
buck_ttu06
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Wow! We have gotten so off of subject... but I am a history major and am enjoying the different perspectives that so many people have on one subject. I think that currently, there is ABSOULTLY no need whatsoever for a draft. However, if we keep losing men at the rate of 100 a month, and with other countries pulling out (or thinking of pulling out ) in Iraq, the numbers will add up quick! We will be in Iraq for years, and I doubt the blood shed slows down anytime soon. Not to mention all of the wounded who can no longer fight. People look at the Army and say..."o, it is hugh...no problem" but VERY few of those numbers are combat troops. IF the rate of KIA and wounded continue... their may be a need for the draft is all I am saying (esp if terrorist try to pull the crap they did in Spain on us close to election). I personally hope it does not come, I prefer a voulnteer force any day over that of a drafted one.
Back to the point again.......
Flee to Canada while you can! The land were men are glued to the NHL playoffs and the women are neglected because of it. And the "gentleman's entertainment" is of the highest quality, even on a Sunday afternoon when you are recovering from your hangover......
Why am I even on this board right now? Aren't I suppose to be working?
I'm done, and I didn't even win the race.....
manny7_99 said:Do you think it is a realistic possibility that the Draft will be reinstated? In spite of the Gov't denials, we all know that we love to deny things
Manny
Flee to Canada while you can! The land were men are glued to the NHL playoffs and the women are neglected because of it. And the "gentleman's entertainment" is of the highest quality, even on a Sunday afternoon when you are recovering from your hangover......
Why am I even on this board right now? Aren't I suppose to be working?
I'm done, and I didn't even win the race.....
buck_ttu06
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lol !!! Supposively the U.S. and Canada signed the "Smart Border Act" that would shut down the borders to and from both countries if a draft was reinstated in either. It's sole purpose to keep would be draft dodgers in (Clinton). You will have to head south instead my friend. Old Mexico!
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