Trouble in the Goat Locker

[IKE]

There's just about no chance Mom and Dad didn't hear rumblings of this previously. That's way to small of a ship to not hear about it.

Idk, command has a way of isolating the CO, sometimes due to his/her actions and always because people will act different in front of the front office.

Maybe the folks over a What About Bob.com are in the know. ...or not!

LOL.

 

[FormerRecruitingGuru]

^Only read the last page of the thread over there. I try to tailor my browsing on SB- much easier now after the CT split. There are definitely some angry old white dudes on that site. I'd still highly recommend it overall as a good resource for those interested in SWOdom.

CT Split?

 

[ChuckMK23]

Unless things have changed there should also not be people having sex on ships no matter the rank of the people involved, so you could have a person violating one regulation or two depending on the ranks of those involved, but my previous statement is still accurate. I would like to say if a guy keeps his d**k in his pants this wouldn't happen, but I have seen women be the ones that initiated the fraternization.

...and human nature is a difficult thing to regulate. Its in our deepest human nature to act on sexual motivations. It isn't about self control or even discipline - when you mix the realities of human nature with the confines of a deployed warship, things will happen. Ultimately (in my opinion) the rules will have to change.

 

[Brett327]

...and human nature is a difficult thing to regulate. Its in our deepest human nature to act on sexual motivations. It isn't about self control or even discipline - when you mix the realities of human nature with the confines of a deployed warship, things will happen. Ultimately (in my opinion) the rules will have to change.

It is also human nature to run away from danger, yet we successfully train servicemembers to overcome those natural instincts and engage enemy forces as the most effective fighting force in history. Turns out, human nature is pretty easy to regulate with the right training and a little discipline.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

...and human nature is a difficult thing to regulate. Its in our deepest human nature to act on sexual motivations. It isn't about self control or even discipline - when you mix the realities of human nature with the confines of a deployed warship, things will happen. Ultimately (in my opinion) the rules will have to change.

I believe changing the rules would create another set of problems, leaving them as is and dealing with the rule breakers would be much better, of course those that see an issue need to speak up and not close their eyes.

 

[Recovering LSO]

...and human nature is a difficult thing to regulate. Its in our deepest human nature to act on sexual motivations. It isn't about self control or even discipline - when you mix the realities of human nature with the confines of a deployed warship, things will happen. Ultimately (in my opinion) the rules will have to change.

Which rules? What will they change to? Is there a way to make frat acceptable and non-detrimental to good order and discipline?

Again, pretending sex doesn't happen onboard ships is naive. Shrugging our shoulders when a CPO/SCPO sleeps with a junior Sailor, because human nature? No.

 

[ChuckMK23]

Which rules? What will they change to? Is there a way to make frat acceptable and non-detrimental to good order and discipline?

Again, pretending sex doesn't happen onboard ships is naive. Shrugging our shoulders when a CPO/SCPO sleeps with a junior Sailor, because human nature? No.

No no no, not saying that at all. We are all "good order and discipline" - I'm just saying it's an uphill battle, and it will be a recurring theme regardless of progress in other areas. And it eats up a lot of cycles.

 

[Uncle Fester]

Don't know the personalities involved, but this smells to me like a case where the SEL onboard confused "handling it among ourselves" with "ignoring the problem". (e.g., "I talked to Smitty about what happened, he won't do it again.") Unless they're like every chiefs' mess I've ever known, there's no way the entire goat locker on a cruiser didn't know something was up with one of their own.

Zipper-control problems have brought down many an otherwise good leader. Won't be the last time. Where it gets out of hand and causes real damage to the command is when peers and superiors ignore the problem or try to make it disappear.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

Don't know the personalities involved, but this smells to me like a case where the SEL onboard confused "handling it among ourselves" with "ignoring the problem". (e.g., "I talked to Smitty about what happened, he won't do it again.") Unless they're like every chiefs' mess I've ever known, there's no way the entire goat locker on a cruiser didn't know something was up with one of their own.

Zipper-control problems have brought down many an otherwise good leader. Won't be the last time. Where it gets out of hand and causes real damage to the command is when peers and superiors ignore the problem or try to make it disappear.

I guarantee you they at least had suspicions that something was up, to what degree everyone knew who knows