Travel vs Proceed?

[Brett327]

Obviously I was joking before, but I appreciate getting some real advice. As an Ensign with no prior service and not much interaction with the enlisted side of the Navy, it is difficult to know how to approach the Chiefs. I'm hoping that being competent, working hard, and having a good attitude will be enough to pull me through until I get some real Navy experience. At the same time, however, I'll be damned if I am going to let my Chief treat me as if my civilian experience doesn't mean anything. After all, there are more ways to become an adult than just in the military. I put myself through college, finished an engineering degree, lived by myself in a few countries, worked as an engineer for a few years, and generally learned what it means to be responsible. Oh, and I'm hoping to pin on a set of wings in a few months. I certainly intend to run my division rather than hiding behind the chief and just hoping I don't F-up.

It's all how you carry yourself, brother. I can tell you'll do great.

Brett

 

[FMRAM]

Now, I may not recommend this to a boot, non-prior maintainer, but I went down to Maint. Control when I got to my fleet squadron to size them up a bit. There's a bit of territorialism there and getting behind the desk can be kind of an affront to their "Chiefdom." I went right back behind the desk to the Maint. Masterchief's desk to introduce myself and shoot the sh!t a bit, mostly to be friendly, but also to drop my credentials and let all the Maint. Chiefs where I stood. The result? A great tour and an unbelievably positive relationship with both the Chiefs and the rest of the troopers.

Brett

Wow...that took some serious b@lls my friend, but a great idea none the less. I think I will do the same when I get back to a squadron.

 

[webmaster]

For you older guys who have been around longer and have PCSed more...

What is the difference between travel and proceed? Going from Randolph to Jax I get 3 days travel but no proceed? When does proceed come into play?

Basically, PROCEED time is to allow sufficient time to pack up and move your family, and is typically associated with overseas OCONUS moves. Here are a few examples of the breakdowns, and how various moves are computed. Typically, as you go from training command to training command, you will not recieve these entitlements. Also, keep in mind that both TRAVEL and PROCEED are taken into account on any move before you are charged for LEAVE enroute. Here are the examples:

EXAMPLE

"PROCEED: A period of time (not chargeable as leave, delay, or allowed travel time) granted for the purpose of making necessary personal arrangements inherent in certain permanent change of station orders"

 

[webmaster]

Brett, great post, and rep points to you.

Wow...that took some serious b@lls my friend, but a great idea none the less. I think I will do the same when I get back to a squadron.

Balls? No, he just has his **** in one sock, and knows how to lead. Granted, mustangs may have a little edge in some respects (though there are still some dirtbags among us), but I have seen NROTC/OCS/USNA JOs that have come in, established a great working relationship that the CPOs can respect, and have had great tours. The LAST thing any Chief wants is a pushover JO for his BRANCH/DIVO.

Now, the question is, what type of JO are YOU going to be?

 

[FMRAM]

Now, the question is, what type of JO are YOU going to be?

I am sure I will establish a good working relationship with the Senior Enlisted...no doubts. I won't be a pushover JO because I have a clue what is going on. Fortunately for me, in my last squadron, I had an LPO that was completely computer illiterate. He was, however, very good about showing me the administrative ropes and dynamics in the squadron. I was included in most decisions pertaining to the shop, manning, and dealings with maintenance control ECT. I wrote/routed dozens of evals (including my LPO's), at least 10 awards, I am also very good at enlisted training jackets. Naturally as an enlisted AM2, former plane captain, CDI/Shift sup, I am very familiar with the maintenance side of the house. My point at the end of all this is simply that knowledge is power and coupled with my personality, I don't think I'll be thought of as a pushover. I also will not be one of those "know-it-all" mustangs. I have much to learn and will differ to the individual who has a clue when I find myself scratching my head.

 

[MasterBates]

I also will not be one of those "know-it-all" mustangs. I have much to learn and will differ to the individual who has a clue when I find myself scratching my head.

Good call. We have had a few that think they know it all (about being a pilot/officer) because they were an enlisted blackshoe or bubblehead for 5 years.

Most of the prior E's are good officers. But there are some that should be shatcanned, but they will not because "If we can him he will be at 14ish years and not able to retire".

 

[FMRAM]

I have made a conscious decision to not be "that guy" in all respects . As I have said before, some of the best subject matter experts and sources of knowledge(s) are junior guys.