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A4sForever

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Sir(s)...

please elucidate us on "Taxi-1"..... I think I can extrapolate that's it's not something good. Also... it's a pretty good bet that it's a RAG stud in that A-7....right?? Thirdly, A4s, why in the hell are the LSOs so far away from the platform??? Do you guys have a wave off pickle with an extension cord??
Schnugg got the first one ... and yeah, the driver's probably a RAG STUD, as VA-174 used to the East Coast A-7 Pilot factory ... but he could be an Instructor or a "former" getting a REQUAL ... in any case:

He's WAAA-A-A-A-A-A-A-Y TOO LOW = WAVE-OFF or if it happened at the last second at the ramp = NO GRADE TAXI-1 or CUT PASS TAXI-1.

As far as where the LSO's are standing, that was about the "normal" spot I'd work a guy from ... I'd always get a long cord for the radio and pickle ... and if I was "sweet-talkin'" a guy or someone was having trouble at night -- I'd usually end up just on the safe side of the FOUL LINE.

Sometimes, the LSO just has to crawl inside the cockpit w/ the driver when he's puckered. :) I posted the following a couple of years ago (good God) when someone asked me @ VIGI's and/or wavin' 'em ... it kinda relates to what I'm describing here ...

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.. photo AirWing 11 RVAH-7 VIGILANTE coming aboard ...

As an LSO, it was the toughest A/C on the flight deck to wave, and even tougher to bring aboard as a pilot. Auto-throttles were mandatory, and without them -- it was considered an "emergency" landing on the ship. It was the LAST aircraft you qualified in (to wave) prior to designation as an AirWing LSO. It was a dedicated team effort between pilot and LSO Platform to get that fire-breathing monster aboard. All the Vig pilots were above average -- hard core. I feel for their RAN's --- tough spot to be in for a left-over job -- as their job was compromised from the get-go. Disclaimer: one of my classmates ended up a VIGI RAN and gave me all the negatives of the position as he saw it through the post-card sized window in the rear seat of the RA-5C. He originally was in flight school as an Aviator STUD but washed out and went NFO. He knew EVERYTHING about aviation (even what Ellyson and Whiting had for lunch at the Pensacola O'Club in 1925 -- except he didn't know how to fly ...... :) )

One night in 1974 -- waving a recovery in the I.O. with no bingo field -- the Indians said they would "shoot us down" if we crossed what passed for their ADIZ :) -- and here I thought Hindus were non-violent (?) --- one of the VIGI's in our "heavy" squadron lost his auto-throttles, was getting skosh on fuel, and I was on duty on the platform .... Of course, ... great .....

After a considerable amount of prepratory chit-chat with the pilot --- down he came .... I cannot remember the specifics of the pass, but I remember he got high -- really high -- in close and gritting my teeth -- I waved him off. More talk on the downwind leg to settle him down and here he came again --- do it this time or rig the barracade!!!

My hook spotter was a black kid from DEEEEEE-TROIT, at least that was how he pronounced it. He usually showed up on the platform when I had the duty --- I later found out he TRADED some of his Air Dept. mates so he could be my "black shadow" on the platform. Who could know ??? He was a character --- he was good at his job, and he did it his way w/ a little panache for good measure. For example, he would not say
"All down, F-4" like he was suppose to when the aircraft was abeam with everything hanging (day) or I.D.'ed through his binoculars (night) .

Instead, he would say
"All down Navy fighter" ..... an EA-6B was "All down ... Tactical Jamm-ah", the A-7 was "All down ... light ATTACK, the A-6 "All down ... all-weather ATTACK " and so forth. He did it his way ..... and he was totally reliable.

But he was with me that night on the platform --- in fact, I cleared the platform of all hangers-on except for my assistant/writer and the kid from DEEEEE-TROIT; both of whom I needed. After the second VIG pass and the subsequent successful trap --- I ended up almost lying down on the deck about halfway between the platform and the foul line -- and I didn't even realize it -- there had been lots of "LSO body -English" during the approach & trap and my hook spotter said:

"SHHHHEEEEEEE-IT, Lieutenant ******* (insert my name here) !!!! --- I HAVE NE-VAH SEEN A WHITE MAN DANCE LIKE THAT ... !!!" :D

It was a successful recovery, saved a barracade engagement, and obviously my physical efforts had impressed the kid from DEEEEE-TROIT ... :)

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And it was proof positive that white men CAN dance ... when properly motivated. :D
 

stalk

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When there are 4 wires and it's a "Target 3 Wire". Newer decks have 3 wires and what was a "4 Wire" now equates to a "3 Wire"

...and then there was USS Midway. She just had 3 wires, setting the trend for later generations.
 

Mumbles

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SHHHHEEEEEEE-IT,

not to blow smoke up your butt...

but you are one of my favorite yarn spinners!!

R/
Casey
 

Single Seat

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I had one pass like that....with current COMNAVAIRFOR in an F-14D at night. Went out looking for the hook touchdown mark the next day. Found it 6 feet from the round down. :icon_rage

Shiiiiit. We had a dude in my RAG class touch down during night CQ. The next day we measured his TIRE marks 9' from the round down. His hook point slapped the round down a foot and a half from the bottom.

Not to say I haven't tried to park my jet in the engine shop a few times.
 

HeyJoe

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Not to say I haven't tried to park my jet in the engine shop a few times.

They say you can only tie the record in low transitions...but one guy has the record nobody wants to attempt. He actually "put one in the spud locker" on USS Oriskany. His F2H Banshee went below the ramp and exploded. Everyone thought he was a goner. Somehow, miraculously, the nose section broke off and remained intact as it literally impacted the locker. Unbelieveably, he survived and walked away form it. I had heard the legend in the mid 80s when I was editor of Approach and asked some old timers about it. I finally found someone who knew the luckiest man alive. Turns out he was retired by then and living in Virginia Beach. One phone call and I was set to meet him over lunch.

Hearing it from it was even more amazing. With all the commotion and fuel and "conflag", he staggered to sickbay and after a checkout and medicinal brandy (standard Flight Doc remedy for night traps and whatever else in the days). After the adrenaline wore off, he decided it would probably be wise to call his Ready Room to let them know how he was doing. He thought they'd be pleased to hear he was alive and none the worse for the experience, but was taken aback when the SDO lost it and started chewing him out for playing such a horrible joke on the squadron when they were mourning their lost comrade. After a tirade at the supposed pretneder, the SDO promptly hung up. So he had to make the trek to the Ready Room to prove he was the real deal. The guy who put one into the Spud Locker (and lived to tell about it).

He later became commanding office rof the VF-33 Tarsiers (1966-67) so his ramp performance undoubtedly improved.
 

Old R.O.

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Old R.O. Picture of the Day for 9 December 2008

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USS Ranger (CVA-61) North Pacific transit, June 1973.
We had a bird from each fighter squadron standing Alert 5 for a while, until someone with half a brain figured out that the weather was dog-squeeze and that if the Bears wanted to find us... then good luck.
HC-1 Det 4 SH-3G on the angle spot, with a bundled up VAW-111 Det 1 E-1B parked next to our CAG bird. The two stars on NE 100's splitter plate was for RADM Wes McDonald. We flew him in the back seat of one of our Phantoms at least once during the cruise.
 

Catmando

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............The guy who put one into the Spud Locker (and lived to tell about it).

He later became commanding officer of the VF-33 Tarsiers (1966-67) so his ramp performance undoubtedly improved.
I had a CO who knew him well (and who I think was in his squadron at the time of the incident).

And this CO used to love to tell us FNG Nugget JOs the "Spud Locker" story, before most every night launch. :eek:
(Kept us away from a low ball, though ;) )
 

Old R.O.

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Old R.O. Picture of the Day for 10 December 2008

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VA-303 Golden Hawks A-7B Corsair II touches down at NAS Fallon, circa summer 1982.
 

Uncle Fester

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Did the SLUF really need such a high AOA on final? (going by the Fallon pic and the taxi-1 pic above) Or is that an optical delusion from the extended nose-gear?

For that matter, how did they fix the excessive AOA problem for the A-7? The 'Sader had the crazy variable-incidence wing... Since the SLUF is its fatter little brother, why didn't it need one as well?
 

zipmartin

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Did the SLUF really need such a high AOA on final? (going by the Fallon pic and the taxi-1 pic above) Or is that an optical delusion from the extended nose-gear?

For that matter, how did they fix the excessive AOA problem for the A-7? The 'Sader had the crazy variable-incidence wing... Since the SLUF is its fatter little brother, why didn't it need one as well?

The Fallon pic is most likely a flared landing followed by aero-braking to save wear and tear on tires and brakes. The RAG pic at the boat....he was just AFU.

The design of the A-7 was just different enough from the F-8 that the AOA wasn't that much of a problem. What was a problem was not having speedbrakes during the approach and the engine spool-up time. The A-7E with the TF-41 was somewhat better than the A-7A,B. A4s will probably tell you the wave-off point for the A-7 was a little farther out than say an F-4 due to the spool-up time.
 

zipmartin

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Pics from CAG 20 NAS Fallon ACDUTRA, late '80's. Bogie support provided by VC-12, VC-13 and OMD NAS Dallas.
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Any words of wisdom from Heyjoe or anyone on getting rid of dust spots when scanning slides?
 

Gatordev

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Any words of wisdom from Heyjoe or anyone on getting rid of dust spots when scanning slides?

If you have a Mac, Aperture does a great job at that. For the PC, Lightroom, I believe, also has that function (there's a Mac version, as well). Not sure about Lightroom, but you can download a free version of Aperture and run it for 30 days before you have to give your cash to Steve.
 
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