bailey8756
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Okay that makes sense. Thanks.
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The Doctor is in! Ask a Flight Surgeon!
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I don't think it will really matter if you have an upchit when reporting to NASC, since you aren't receiving any benefits and you're not in a flight status. You're basically in a Duties Not Involving Flying status, even though your orders say DIFOPS (or maybe they don't yet...I can't remember).
I agree, it's a conversation to have at OCS on how they want to do it. Doing a short form makes the most sense. Your flight physical doesn't have to be during your birth month, that's just the standard everyone follows.
That makes sense since you were both broken and a student. They do the same thing in the fleet if someone has been hard down for a long time.
When I was on my 20 month waiver pain train we eventually put me on LIMDU as a way to hold me and prevent PERS from getting their hands on me. Now that you bring this up, I can't remember if I did a flight physical while I was waiting...I can't imagine there would have been a way for me to pass it, so I probably didn't do one.
bailey8756
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Just confirmed this with a homie who knows some people over at NIFE and NAMI. They said I’ll go through NAMI again at NIFE 0 and my PQ will be good through the end of OCS. No need to worry about getting delayed or having a gap between flight physicals.
PanthersFan1
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Anyone got gouge on what MHS Genesis can see?
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Just be 100% upfront and honest about your medical history and you don’t have to worry about this.
PanthersFan1
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when do I have to disclose? i went to talk therapy like 18 months ago, but this was after MEPS and after my SF86. Havent done any paper work yet or anything to "reupdate" my status, and just got selected for SNA a few weeks ago for OCS in october. Any advice or any gouge on mental health waivers? or how does that process work now that i have been selected. Since the therapy I have gotten my PPL and IR in an arduous and expedited part 141 flight program, so would that be good evidence I am suitable for flight in terms of a waiver being granted? i also have my FAA first class
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exNavyOffRec
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Disclose right away, you will have to sign a paper saying there has been no change in any status since you went to MEPS, if you disclose at that point it will almost certainly delay your OCS date.
NAMI requirements are irrelevant to an FAA 1st class, prior flight exp or participation in a part 141 flight school.
You don’t automatically need a waiver because you’ve had talk therapy. It’s the contents of those sessions that determine if a waiver is needed or not.
When you go to OCS, bring a full copy of those medical records along with a signed summary note from your therapist. You’ll still need a Behavioral Health assessment but providing the documentation will save you a lot of waiting time.
exNavyOffRec
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The USN "should" already have a copy of those as they will need to be submitted prior to leaving for OCS, however it never hurts to have a copy in hand.
Assuming they disclose/give records before going to OCS.
They mentioned going to talk therapy after MEPS but between OCS.
If they aren’t under Tricare, as far as I’m aware, they are they ones that will have to give the medical records.
PanthersFan1
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I meant using the PPL and IR as proof that I can function in high stress environments. I was in once a week telehealth talk therapy for 17 weeks (considered short term) during college because i was stressed out about my future and stuff. I was diagnosed with GAD (which I think is B.S) and its "CD" for aviation but waiver can be requested after 12 months since treatment and "fit for duty" status (it has been 14 months). I should've never went, but there is nothing I can do about it now. I was never medicated nor hospitalized. Im not sure how the waiver process works but I thought one of their main concerns is if the candidate will be able to function in a high stress aviation environment. which is why I said the flight experience part. But I am not sure what the process is like where i'd be able to prove that I can perform. Is there like a personal statement, or a letter that I can write along side handing in the treatment summary or records? Also another concern of mine are the raw notes. I don't mind them reading the treatment summary, which in fact is not bad at all, nor the full treatment record. But the raw notes is what really scares me because I was vulnerable and said some things (nothing crazy) that will not be in favor of me getting a waiver. Not sure if it is likely for them to request the raw notes. I am not really sure of the process in general. I've also read online in this thread earlier that maybe getting a psych eval before to submit as well can help? I just want to figure out the best plan of action before I disclose this information to try to go into it with the best hand possible.
This really sucks for me, because it was a moment of weakness, and i definitely could have "thugged it out". I am honestly more capable now because I did the therapy than I would have been before, and ready to give the Navy my all. As one in aviation would say its genuinely "no factor". I don't know how much something in the past weighs more than myself now. there is not much info to what entails in the process, (mental health waivers). Just really hoping it doesn't rescind my selection, or OCS acceptance. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
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If you dig around my profile, I've talked about the Behavioral Health process at OCS a couple of times on the forum.
In short, when you see the flight doc for your initial evaluation, mention it to them. They'll send you for a Behavioral Health evaluation later at OCS. This is a two-part evaluation consisting of a multi-hour-long psych test on a computer. All I remember is that it took hours and my eyes started to hurt from reading the tiny font, lol. Secondly, they'll have you do a short in-person eval with one of the therapists at OTCN. Mine took around 10 minutes and boiled down to "Why did you go to therapy?".
I had a couple other friends who also needed BH Evals and all functioned the same
exNavyOffRec
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Yes, what will happen is they will have to sign a release and the records will then be sent to the reviewing doctor and then should be included in the records that are on hand for that person.
It will required to be disclosed as the person will need to sign a paper saying they have not had any other medical issues since their initial medical review or whatever terminology they use.
Failure to disclose prior to OCS could result in a variety of actions down the road which could be a small delay while being cleared up, to being sent home from OCS, the faster the issue is disclosed the quicker it can be resolved.
I have been through this with an applicant, not specifically psych doc, and it resulted in the OCS date being cancelled just a few weeks prior to shipping, the issue was resolved in a few weeks then had to get a new OCS date which took another 6 weeks I believe. If he had disclosed when it happened he would have kept his original date.
Talking to a therapist about mind stuff should be treated like going to a fitness trainer or a PT for body stuff. You'll come out better and stronger.