Honestly, it's mostly current pipeline the AF uses.
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T-45C Replacement
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From what I hear, their fleet squadrons aren't very happy about it either...
The trainer community in general is in shambles. Too many decades of neglect.
I've said this a few times here. My brother is an E-3/Kc-135/AF 707/ now B-1 type IQT IP, (and an evaluator, and a depot FCF guy, and a numbered Air Force Stan/Eval checker... You get the idea- he doesn't suck).
He says the most nervous, and then the most scared, that he would never meet his in utero son, has been teaching a recent UPT grad how to fly form and take gas on the tanker.
The AF has completely punted pilot training- but the generals are happy because the excell spreadsheet boxes are green.
The question is, when mission readiness starts to suffer, will the right causal factors be identified?
My guess is no.
Probably not. He reminds me that "at least when your new LT fucks it up you don't die with him." A blessing and a curse. The unmanned community has our own training problems.
Our lives are never on the line, but other lives are. When we conduct a strike our goal is for those who should die will die, and those who should live will live. Sometimes we get that wrong.
Ultimately the fleet should never get someone from the training command who isn't 100% full up and ready to do their job on day one.
Agreed. The training command is abdicating a lot of that responsibility to the fleet. The USAF is a lot further along in that regression than the USN… for now.
For a lack of a general training thread - here's coverage from a CNATRA interview last week:
breakingdefense.com
Goal of CNATRA = 105 percent of requirement
Fleet Replacement Squadrons (FRS) are now underproducing, creating a new logjam just before a winged aviator becomes useful to the fleet. Students arrive late to their first tour, and because career milestones do not move to accommodate that delay, the Navy is not getting a full production tour out of junior officers before pulling them for disassociated sea tours or to fill gaps elsewhere. The junior officers who would otherwise be back at the training command or FRS generating the next cohort are the ones being diverted.
Expanding contract instructor pilots — former Navy and Marine Corps jet aviators, many with T-45 experience — into the primary phase. Helo COPT-R syllabus closely monitored and injected with Naval Aviation culture.
Faster triggers to attrition in NIFE and Primary training. Attrition at advanced training will still happen, he told me, but at meaningfully lower rates, because the students reaching that stage will already have cleared a higher bar.
Fixing the machine: Inside the Navy's race to rebuild its aviator pipeline - Breaking Defense
An in-depth discussion with the service's chief of Naval Air Training Command.
Goal of CNATRA = 105 percent of requirement
Fleet Replacement Squadrons (FRS) are now underproducing, creating a new logjam just before a winged aviator becomes useful to the fleet. Students arrive late to their first tour, and because career milestones do not move to accommodate that delay, the Navy is not getting a full production tour out of junior officers before pulling them for disassociated sea tours or to fill gaps elsewhere. The junior officers who would otherwise be back at the training command or FRS generating the next cohort are the ones being diverted.
Expanding contract instructor pilots — former Navy and Marine Corps jet aviators, many with T-45 experience — into the primary phase. Helo COPT-R syllabus closely monitored and injected with Naval Aviation culture.
Faster triggers to attrition in NIFE and Primary training. Attrition at advanced training will still happen, he told me, but at meaningfully lower rates, because the students reaching that stage will already have cleared a higher bar.
At Hook this year, the PERS brief included that they will continue to shorten production shore tour lengths to ~30-33 months, but also talked about considering increasing new gains' commitment to 10 years after wings to match the USAF and USA. If they did that, they should presumably be able to give people their full tour. I'll believe it when I see it.
For what it's worth, they have functionally made it a 10 year commitment nowadays since they pulled some legalese to ensure that O-3s rotating onto disassociated tours are doing their full tour instead of dropping papers on their first day and leaving 12 months later.
That puts most people making the stay or go decision at 12-13 years. The thing about the Air Force is that their pilots are winging as 2nd Lts, and the course is 51 weeks long to a T.
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We really need to update our Cryo storage gameFor a lack of a general training thread - here's coverage from a CNATRA interview last week:
Fixing the machine: Inside the Navy's race to rebuild its aviator pipeline - Breaking Defense
An in-depth discussion with the service's chief of Naval Air Training Command.
Goal of CNATRA = 105 percent of requirement
Fleet Replacement Squadrons (FRS) are now underproducing, creating a new logjam just before a winged aviator becomes useful to the fleet. Students arrive late to their first tour, and because career milestones do not move to accommodate that delay, the Navy is not getting a full production tour out of junior officers before pulling them for disassociated sea tours or to fill gaps elsewhere. The junior officers who would otherwise be back at the training command or FRS generating the next cohort are the ones being diverted.
Expanding contract instructor pilots — former Navy and Marine Corps jet aviators, many with T-45 experience — into the primary phase. Helo COPT-R syllabus closely monitored and injected with Naval Aviation culture.
Faster triggers to attrition in NIFE and Primary training. Attrition at advanced training will still happen, he told me, but at meaningfully lower rates, because the students reaching that stage will already have cleared a higher bar.
Navy leadership thinks they have found a “solution” for retention by just arbitrarily extending current commitments and then making the new accession MSR 10 years. That gets them a super-JO (i.e. a DH tour) out of everyone.
That’s what they are going to do instead of anything that would actually make people voluntarily stay in.
The general flow seems to now be shorterned shore tour, Super JO/Training O/Cag Paddles/CVW Staff OR DH > Get out.
Most people I know taking DH intend to get out next, it was just the best option, and 90% of peoples timings don't support doing a second sea tour into DH
Most people I know taking DH intend to get out next, it was just the best option, and 90% of peoples timings don't support doing a second sea tour into DH
PERS is telling people in the VFA world to expect to fill a DH billet as a super-JO for a second sea tour. That was part of the pitch for while people should take a DH bonus.
That was in the same email that they removed one-on-one detailing for super-JOs and made it a slate process.
That was in the same email that they removed one-on-one detailing for super-JOs and made it a slate process.