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Blutonski816
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xmid said:
HEY!!!
Don't forget the E-2s and C-2s....
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Stupid questions about the Rhino (Super Hornet)
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HEY!!!
Don't forget the E-2s and C-2s....
Xmid said "almost all hornets and helos" :icon_tongBlutonski816 said:
Let's see a potential "paper" wing:
20-24 Supers
20-24 squadrons C-Models (not baby/legacy/JV/whatever...)
4-6 Shockers
10-12 H-60s (R and S)
4 E-2's
and the occasional det'ed C-2
66 hornets and helos vs. 4 to six E-2/C-2s? "Almost" all hornets and helos methinks.
Not supposed to. The transition is going to be gradual over several years, so the plan I've seen works, at least on paper. There are still a lot of folks in the community from the A-6 sundown that remember the abortion that whole process was and wanted to do it right this time around.xmid said:
Brett
xmid said:
This is a major discussion item in the Rhino community. A lot of the aspects as to how TopGun recommends crew coordination in the F/A-18F are classified (tactics, tactics...)
The problem is that the Navy never had a good plan for the next generation airframe materialize. Several competing designs existed... the two-seat A-12, the Tomcat 21, the Super Hornet. Ultimately, the Super Hornet succeeded. Some powers that be would have liked to see it as a single-seater, much as the Baby Hornet was. But with the massive success of the two-seat Tomcat in the FAC(A) role in both Kosovo and Afghanistan, the Navy had to reconsider its buy.
No, having a plane which exists in both a single-seat and dual-seat configuration is not ideal... and the Navy has not fully differentiated one from the other. The Super Hornet is, and will continue to be, more an evolutionary product than anything else.
Rest assured that having a guy in the back seat is better than not.
The increased fuel capacity... meh. The 18F (depending on temp, with a single centerline) carries about 16.5K. The 18E maybe has 17.5 in that configuration.
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Blutonski816
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eddie said:66 hornets and helos vs. 4 to six E-2/C-2s? "Almost" all hornets and helos methinks.
Just representin' for the E-2/C-2 bubbas...
Besides, for guys like us who aren't even commissioned, you never know where you'll be 10 years from now...
What role is the JSF filling for the Navy? I know it is replacing the F-16 for the USAF and the AV-8 for the USMC.
Just did an air-to-air refuel trainingexercise (as we don't carry the basket, just the probe) with a USN F-18F and observed the flightcrew closely on the RARO system on board, are these guys wearing different sets of helmets (Pilot/NFO)? The frontseater looked like ET with his out of proportion visor housing and scared the hell out of us on the b/w 3D RARO screen...
JHMCS for backseat of Hornet
JHMCS is like having a HUD on your head. See: http://www.vsi-hmcs.com/pages_hmcs/02_jhm.html
E and F do indeed have JHMCS. The backseat is not yet able to use it in the F not because it is not required, but due to fact that the development and testing for back seat of the F (and the D model Hornet) was not included in the funded initially, but it was always on the wish list. It would be awesome for FAC(A) for RWSO to be to designate targets from the back seat, etc. and the backseat will get it. Israelis have been flying two seat HMDs (DASH) for years on their F-15Es and swear by the two seat configuration and ability to pass cueing back and forth and do targeting from either cockpit.
Interestingly, Tomcats flew with Helmet Mounted Sights (VTAS) in both seats in late seventies for AIM/ACEVAL JT&E at Nellis and found it to be a real force multiplier for air-to-air (The system was actually fielded in the F-4 Phantom , but never provided to fleet Tomcats due to other funding priorities). JHMCS is a "Joint" helmet that achieved IOC with F-15C in late 2003 along with AIM-9X (AIM-9X is optimized with use of JHMCS to employ it at high off boresight angles). The F-16 and F/A-18C/D are also on the roadmap for JHMCS. C got their AIM-9X but funding issues kept the helmet stuckk in test...USMC has pushed to get it on their C model Hornets pronto.
Brett327 said:
JHMCS is like having a HUD on your head. See: http://www.vsi-hmcs.com/pages_hmcs/02_jhm.html
E and F do indeed have JHMCS. The backseat is not yet able to use it in the F not because it is not required, but due to fact that the development and testing for back seat of the F (and the D model Hornet) was not included in the funded initially, but it was always on the wish list. It would be awesome for FAC(A) for RWSO to be to designate targets from the back seat, etc. and the backseat will get it. Israelis have been flying two seat HMDs (DASH) for years on their F-15Es and swear by the two seat configuration and ability to pass cueing back and forth and do targeting from either cockpit.
Interestingly, Tomcats flew with Helmet Mounted Sights (VTAS) in both seats in late seventies for AIM/ACEVAL JT&E at Nellis and found it to be a real force multiplier for air-to-air (The system was actually fielded in the F-4 Phantom , but never provided to fleet Tomcats due to other funding priorities). JHMCS is a "Joint" helmet that achieved IOC with F-15C in late 2003 along with AIM-9X (AIM-9X is optimized with use of JHMCS to employ it at high off boresight angles). The F-16 and F/A-18C/D are also on the roadmap for JHMCS. C got their AIM-9X but funding issues kept the helmet stuckk in test...USMC has pushed to get it on their C model Hornets pronto.
