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Squadrons at Whiting?
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Future Herc Driver
About to start Tac phase in the Herc.
Standups are more stressful because they actually happen all the time, as opposed to real Ep's in the plane. All of your class and the majority of your instructors are there watching you stand at attention in the middle of the room and watch you do your thing. If you screw it up and get sat down, you dont fly the next day (which is a bad thing.) Do it enough and you will be talking with your flight commander. The instructor pulling the engine on you and watching you do an ELP is hardly very stressful.
VT-3 was decent, but everyone else is right, their schedulers have their heads up their a$$.
VT-3 was decent, but everyone else is right, their schedulers have their heads up their a$$.
Oh, it's stressful alright.
I'm not going to get in a pissing match over which training is better or tougher, but I will comment on that last statement.
The thing that makes doing EPs difficult in the plane is that you have to fly, navigate, and talk while you are doing them. Ealry on in training, I could recite EPs pretty well, but put me in the plane with other things to do, and the brain real estate just wasn't there to do the EPs. After a while though, you learn to think on your feet (not litterally in this case) and prepare for the unexpected.
Both methods of teaching obviously work. They are just two different ways to skin a cat.
Future Herc Driver said:
I'm not going to get in a pissing match over which training is better or tougher, but I will comment on that last statement.
The thing that makes doing EPs difficult in the plane is that you have to fly, navigate, and talk while you are doing them. Ealry on in training, I could recite EPs pretty well, but put me in the plane with other things to do, and the brain real estate just wasn't there to do the EPs. After a while though, you learn to think on your feet (not litterally in this case) and prepare for the unexpected.
Both methods of teaching obviously work. They are just two different ways to skin a cat.
And I've seen Vance guys totally screw it to hell in an aircraft when they had to practice an EP because it was foreign to them.
I'm sure a stand-up is very useful, with problem solving, etc. But in my opinion, you also need to do it in the aircraft, because life is much more interesting when you have to ANC while doing an EP, especiallly when they compound on you.
I'm sure a stand-up is very useful, with problem solving, etc. But in my opinion, you also need to do it in the aircraft, because life is much more interesting when you have to ANC while doing an EP, especiallly when they compound on you.
Having never done a standup, I can't really compare the two, I was just saying it didn't seem as stressful as doing a simulated EP in the aircraft. While I've never had to actually do a real EP yet, I've had numerous and compounding simulated EPs in the airplane. I'm sure I'm not the first person who turned themselves into a simulated fireball by lowering gear or flaps with streaming fuel.
I think the hardest part of EPs in the plane is that if you screw one up you can't just sit down. You have to keep flying the rest of the flight and not let your one failure completely screw up the rest of your flight. I can think of one day where a poorly handled EP really got inside my loop and hosed up the rest of my flight.
I think the hardest part of EPs in the plane is that if you screw one up you can't just sit down. You have to keep flying the rest of the flight and not let your one failure completely screw up the rest of your flight. I can think of one day where a poorly handled EP really got inside my loop and hosed up the rest of my flight.
Agreed. One of the most valuable things IMO is to be able to work through an EP with either your instructor or a buddy on the ground and see how it permutates in many different situations. That way you can set up your brain to react to different situations logically.
That said, I'm with Pags. It's one thing to talk about having to handcrank the gear while PEL-ing into an OLF AND talk on the radios AND look for traffic, etc. when you get a streaming fuel EP 15 miles from the nearest field. Doing it is a whole different matter. And I'm sure those who fly bigger and/or faster planes have an even bigger challenge in that respect.
That said, I'm with Pags. It's one thing to talk about having to handcrank the gear while PEL-ing into an OLF AND talk on the radios AND look for traffic, etc. when you get a streaming fuel EP 15 miles from the nearest field. Doing it is a whole different matter. And I'm sure those who fly bigger and/or faster planes have an even bigger challenge in that respect.
Future Herc Driver
About to start Tac phase in the Herc.
I have experienced both standups and EP's in the air at Whiting. They are both good training, and I definitely believe the Navy should implement some sort of standup program and the AF should come up with some way to do EP's in the air. From what I hear when the AF switches over to the T-6 they will do both. Their excuse now is that the Tweet has 2 engines and there isnt much point in pulling an engine in the air since they can fly with only one.
Future Herc Driver
About to start Tac phase in the Herc.
What else are they gonna give em? Smoke and fumes in the cockpit? Big deal. They already have oxygen masks on. At this point,I cant think of anything else they did to me in T-34's. None of the in-plane EP's were that mind blowing anyways. You guys cant be serious if you think that stuff was stressful after you did it once. Standups will make you sweat everytime.
yea, if you don't know your EPs.Future Herc Driver said:
both methods work and both methods fit the appropriate service ... standups fit the AF method of holding your hand through Primary, and EPs in the aircraft fit the Navy/MC method of learn it on your own & display your knowledge in the brief & in the aircraft.
S/F
Future Herc Driver
About to start Tac phase in the Herc.
Oh yeah? well my dad can kick your dads a$$.
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I don't think anyone is saying that they're mind blowing, but we are saying that they can be a handful. No matter how many times you do it, putting on the mask and then cranking down the gear while still flying the plane and answering the IPs questions about what else you might want to turn off is never fun. But could I do it if I had to? Sure, and I can say that confidently because I've already done it.
I'll go ahead and put my 2 cents in here.....I'm currently in VT-6 right now and I love it. I've never heard anyone talk bad about 6, or really 2, but have heard bad things about 3 from time to time. Not to say everyone has bad things to say, but they definitely do things differently over there. VT-6 does not hard schedule anyone for standby, as it is usually an "oh by the way" kind of thing. Another thing about scheduling and instructor availability....I started flying in 6 less than five weeks ago and just did my first check-ride and solo yesterday. I have friends in VT-2/3 that started flying a month before I did and still haven't solo'd yet. It seems that VT-6 pushes us through at a much better pace. I can't speak for the other squadrons in this aspect either, but the leadership (CO,XO) in 6 is phenomenal as well.
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