Pegasus
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No maintenance qualifications. You'll appreciate this when your brothers are out on the line getting their PC qual and your out mastering your trade/at the beach.
It's also another way to weed out the turds.
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Sept. 30 - NO MORE NAC WINGINGS AT FRS
- Thread starter Jbruno
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No maintenance qualifications. You'll appreciate this when your brothers are out on the line getting their PC qual and your out mastering your trade/at the beach.
It's also another way to weed out the turds.
So do most people, but since NAC was not a warfare qual they couldn't wear it on top.
I know that some (very senior) SCPO and MCPO's extended/delayed their EAWS qual so that the NAC wings where their only ones to wear....on top!
Other ones just didn't bother and didn't sport the EAWS at all...
mh53eflyguy
Stashed...again.
I know at AWSTS (The MH-53E FRAC/FRS) that this was discussed prior to my departure their in early 2008. I was told though by the majority of the senior guys (nearing retiring status) that they didn't earn their wings until they got to their units (HM-14, HM-15, HM-16, HM-18, HC-2 (when they had CH-53E's) and HC-4.
I must agree with all that this makes sense. While I don't want to sound unkind about some of my fellow aircrewman, that 6 month Utility crewman qual and 18 month first crew qual got busted regularly. I am not one to speak, I was on shore duty when it was discovered that the instruction stated that I should have been 1st crew qualed. This is going to be unpopular, but they "good ole boy" club was iuin full force when decided who would go up for 1st crew, and they were not reading the instructions either.
I'm sure I let the cat out in my prior community, but that also illustrates to READ THE INSTRUCTIONS!!!
I must agree with all that this makes sense. While I don't want to sound unkind about some of my fellow aircrewman, that 6 month Utility crewman qual and 18 month first crew qual got busted regularly. I am not one to speak, I was on shore duty when it was discovered that the instruction stated that I should have been 1st crew qualed. This is going to be unpopular, but they "good ole boy" club was iuin full force when decided who would go up for 1st crew, and they were not reading the instructions either.
I'm sure I let the cat out in my prior community, but that also illustrates to READ THE INSTRUCTIONS!!!
^^^Thats the way it was in my squadron....The senior aircrew guy (a chief) upgraded the good ole boy (3rd class) to crew chief right after his crew chief syllabus was pencil whipped.
docpup
What is another word for theaurus?
I was flying when they changed it to winging in the FRS. Met a lot of resistance with fleet guys.
Graduating the pipeline shows that a person has the ability to do basic Aircrew Skill Sets. It is not a measure of complete comprehension or ability, more a measure of aptitude. Getting to the fleet, succeeding in your job on a daily basis, having the drive to complete the PQS, and proving yourself to your TEAM...that's the time to be winged.
Take more pride in the change back to the old system.
One last thing. Every HS/HSC squadron has Search and Rescue Medical Technicians that are qualified and completed FRS. The uniform instruction specifically states 8401's as being authorized to wear the NAC badge as their primary warefare device as well.
Graduating the pipeline shows that a person has the ability to do basic Aircrew Skill Sets. It is not a measure of complete comprehension or ability, more a measure of aptitude. Getting to the fleet, succeeding in your job on a daily basis, having the drive to complete the PQS, and proving yourself to your TEAM...that's the time to be winged.
Take more pride in the change back to the old system.
One last thing. Every HS/HSC squadron has Search and Rescue Medical Technicians that are qualified and completed FRS. The uniform instruction specifically states 8401's as being authorized to wear the NAC badge as their primary warefare device as well.
Well, hang on a sec. No one thinks that a newly-winged Pilot or NFO has any kind of comprehension or knowledge of anything beyond the basic common skill sets (i.e., with the exception of P-3 and E-2 FO's, who get winged at the RAG, none of them have so much as sat in their Fleet aircraft). So why does it make sense to wing them when they complete their TRACOM training, but AC wings are different?
I say this coming from a community that didn't have NAC's or AW's; neither do I say that the "new/old" way is wrong. I'm just saying that because you used to do something one way when you were a pup, doesn't mean that that's the best way or the "way it should be".
Eh...I think what Doc's trying to say is that kids don't really have to prove anything except aptitude to make it out of the RAG. They don't really possess any certain skill set or mission knowledge. As far as pilots go, I would argue that you all supposedly share a very certain skill set when you graduate flight school, you are all certified pilots no matter what the platform. Not only have you proven your aptitude, but have learned how to fly. The RAG for pilots doesn't teach them how to fly, it teaches them how to fly a new airplane better than they flew the last..not the same as AC (who have no aircraft experience before the RAG).
I've got a T2C who is un-winged on deployment with me now. It's not a big detractor. Prior to deployment he became "positionally qualified" and can fill the slot without being winged. He's a great aircrewman and works very hard and has learned his profession on the job. When I put the wings on his chest next week, he'll know that he earned them & knows how to do his job well. Before the change, winged aircrew came from the FRS with wings, but no real idea on how to do their job. I see this as putting the cart right behind the horse.