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Spekkio said:
In a nighttime break in...in the dark...how are you supposed to accurately assess whether or not the criminal intends to harm you before it's too late?
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The same way the police do. Notwithstanding the laws in debate here, the need to determine deadly threat is still required if you are on the street, even in Texas. It gets dark out side you know.

Spekkio said:
I say the law should allow homeowners to err on the side of caution, which is to assume that the burglar will cause harm until proven otherwise.
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If you reasonably think the intruder will harm you then you have already met the standard for authorized deadly force in most any other state. No need to avail yourself of the property protection provisions in the Texas law.
 
If you reasonably think the intruder will harm you then you have already met the standard for authorized deadly force in most any other state. No need to avail yourself of the property protection provisions in the Texas law.
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Yes and no. While yes, most states have a law that says something along the lines of "if there is a reasonable belief that the person's life is at risk, they may use deadly physical force," a long court battle would ensue if you shot someone who was unarmed. At that point, it's just up to who has the better lawyer.

The same way the police do. Notwithstanding the laws in debate here, the need to determine deadly threat is still required if you are on the street, even in Texas. It gets dark out side you know.
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We're not talking about outside; we're talking about your home, which someone has already broken into.
 
Spekkio said:
Yes and no. While yes, most states have a law that says something along the lines of "if there is a reasonable belief that the person's life is at risk, they may use deadly physical force," a long court battle would ensue if you shot someone who was unarmed. At that point, it's just up to who has the better lawyer.
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You are right about a legal battle. Maybe criminal, maybe civil, maybe both. Very costly, no matter how good your lawyer is. And while the talent and experience of a lawyer is certainly important, how you articulate your story is of the most benefit. If all you have to say is, "I shot because the law allows it," things will be difficult for you.

Spekkio said:
We're not talking about outside; we're talking about your home, which someone has already broken into.
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It doesn't matter whether inside or out. I believe your point was if it is dark "how are you supposed to accurately assess whether or not the criminal intends to harm you before it's too late?" My answer remains the same, the same way the police do. Find out how they do it, and how difficult it can be. You can get the same training if you are willing to pay for it.
 
Spekkio said:
In a nighttime break in...in the dark...how are you supposed to accurately assess whether or not the criminal intends to harm you before it's too late? Even in the article linked in the OP, it sounds like the criminal fired first, which means the homeowner was just extremely lucky that he missed.

I say the law should allow homeowners to err on the side of caution, which is to assume that the burglar will cause harm until proven otherwise. Burglars will know this risk before they enter a home, so if it's a risk they want to take then let them.

The other solution is to buy pepper spray or some other non-lethal self-defense.
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Pepper spray is less than ideal. I've been hit straight in the face with it, and I didn't even feel it until about a full 5 minutes later. People react differently.
 
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As long as we're at it, how many here have done any serious classes in unarmed self defense? I'm sure there are more than a few Dan ranked people here in the AW forum.
I have been studying and practicing Aikido since 1958 in addition to the weaponry of firearms and blades, sticks, rocks, slings, etc. In my copious free time, I fly airplanes and helicopters.
Semper Fi
Rocky
 
1st degree black belt, Taekwondo.

Not really the best martial art for the street, but better than nothing. One thing I've noticed is that most untrained people rarely expect a kick. I'd love to learn some brazilian jiu jitsu.
 
4th degree black belt, traditional TKD. Aikido as a secondary. TKD is good for if they are out far enough for a punch/kick, aikido if they get in too close and grab. I think the main thing I've found is that you project being a victim or not being a victim. Dirtbags don't want to fvck with someone that looks like they own where ever they are. The thing I like from a health benefit, flexibility.
 
Iv only done Wrestling in Highschool and in a club at school. What I really want to get into is something that teaches how to break bones in close hand to hand. Is this Jiu Jitsu maybe? Or too many Bourne movies? I have pretty good grappling skills and am comfortable on the ground.
 
Breaking bones as in stress or strike? I got into aikido because of its control aspect without need to break anything but with deadly consequences if it got to that point.
As many have seen, I'm a woosy and a pacifist and would much rather avoid the confrontation. However, if pushed into it, Aikido has taught me to inflict excruciating pain with a minimum of effort and yet without need for splints, casts, or extensive recovery time. Just pure and simple fucking pain!
I suspect the most important thing I learned was how to avoid those situations that require me to demonstrate my superlative skills and elan.
Still, not many want to experience the pain of joint locks common to aikido in take down situations. I enjoy the fluid movements and dancing around my opponent while they try to figure out what I'm doing until its too late!
Even then, its my option to engage or disengage.
Semper Fi
Rocky
 
I took a little each capoeira, hapkido, and akido. Never really stayed long enuf to belt or anything. But learned a thing or two...and am able to see ways to mix them.

Never really want to get in a fight tho...
 
2nd degree black belt in Moo Duk Kwan Tae-Kwon-Do (not the kind where you only learn to kick) + hapkido.
 
I'm a Ninja....straight up.

I learned most of my moves from my former master Sho Kosugai....not sure if that's how you spell it or not....but since it's been since the mid-80's since he and I got our train on....you'll understand. I was actually the white Ninja in such childhood favorites as "Enter the Ninja" and "Return of the Ninja." I went into hiding when I found out "Grey Ninja" was a possessed female....and she whiped my arse.

In all reality, I think MCMAP is pretty useful once you get into Brown and Black and get past "front kick" and "side kick" stuff. I'm also a former Black Belt in the receiving end of "drunken brawling." They don't like to give that belt out openly, but if somebody smashes a beer bottle across your head, they award it on the spot.
 
yak52driver said:
4th degree black belt, traditional TKD. Aikido as a secondary. TKD is good for if they are out far enough for a punch/kick, aikido if they get in too close and grab. I think the main thing I've found is that you project being a victim or not being a victim. Dirtbags don't want to fvck with someone that looks like they own where ever they are. The thing I like from a health benefit, flexibility.
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Yak
Projecting the image of confidence is part of it. Being aware of potentionally hazardous situations is another. At your level, I'm sure you have done a fair share of instruction and I suspect the awareness issue was a big part of training?
If I didn't have aikido workouts I'd be an old cripple today! It amuses me when college kids comment on how supple, flexible, and quick I am at my age. Of course, to them I belong in the Smithsonian with the dinosaurs.
creaks and groans, aches and pains earned and learned the hard way.
Semper Fi
Rocky
 
FlyinRock said:
I got into aikido because of its control aspect without need to break anything but with deadly consequences if it got to that point.

However, if pushed into it, Aikido has taught me to inflict excruciating pain with a minimum of effort and yet without need for splints, casts, or extensive recovery time. Just pure and simple fucking pain!
Rocky
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So true! I tell students the worst thing you can do is grab someone that is trained. You just open yourself up to all kinds of problems. But situational awareness can keep you out of problems so you don't have to demonstrate martial arts skills...
 
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