Saw far.-9/11 for the first time

[Flash]

In his movie, he says that only one person in Congress has a son or daughter enlisted in the military. Granted this is true but he leads viewers to beleive that only one person in Congress has a son or daughter in the mlitary. This is not true....only one member of congress has a son or daughter enlisted, but there are many that have sons and daughters that are officers in the military. He does stuff like this throught the film.

While I agree M. Moore does bend the truth to his advantage, like implying we allowed the Saudis out of the country before planes could start flying again after 9/11, there are not that many Congressmen/women who have children in the military at all, including as officers. Here is a link to a website that is not too friendly to M. Moore's film, couldn't find a better link:

http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/fahrenheit911/warsignup.htm

One prominent politician does have a son in the Navy, Atty General John Ashcroft. I think he is a SWO.

http://www.navytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-307713.php

 

[EngineGirl]

While I agree M. Moore does bend the truth to his advantage, like implying we allowed the Saudis out of the country before planes could start flying again after 9/11, there are not that many Congressmen/women who have children in the military at all, including as officers. Here is a link to a website that is not too friendly to M. Moore's film, couldn't find a better link:

Flash- I shouldn't have said "many." The point I meant to get across was that Micheal Moore made many statements that lead people to beileve something that wasn't true. No not "many" Congressman and Women have sons and daughters in the military, but there is more than one, unlike Micheal Moore lead his audience to beleive.

One prominent politician does have a son in the Navy, Atty General John Ashcroft. I think he is a SWO.

Not quite sure what his son is, but he is either an Ensign or JG. I read an article about him not too long ago that I found interesting (it wasn't highly publized though). Apparently, no one knew who's son he was and when the ship he was on came back from deployment, they wondered why these secret service agents were there and why there was all this hupla and stuff. Then everyone found out he was there and found out who his son was and they offered to let him come on board because of who he was and stuff. Well, he didn't and his son got off in the order he was supposed to. When they asked Ashrcroft what he did there, he said something like "I helped carry stuff to my sons truck!" Just thought it was a cool story because Ashcroft and his son could've gotten all sorts of advantages because of who they were, but they didn't at all!!

EngineGirl

 

[flashypants]

Apparently, no one knew who's son he was and when the ship he was on came back from deployment, they wondered why these secret service agents were there and why there was all this hupla and stuff.

You're telling me they had a "ENS/LTJG Ashcroft" aboard, and nobody wondered?! Come on now...

Last guy I met named Ashcroft was....oh yea, I've never met anyone named Ashcroft. Sorry.

 

[EngineGirl]

You're telling me they had a "ENS/LTJG Ashcroft" aboard, and nobody wondered?! Come on now...

Last guy I met named Ashcroft was....oh yea, I've never met anyone named Ashcroft. Sorry.

Man I do sound like a douche. There is a family of Ashcrofts where I am from though. I guess maybe he didn't say anything about it, people didn't ask (some people are really clueless and wouldn't even know), he didn't make a big deal about it, etc. Any way it is, he could have used it to his advantage, and he and his dad didn't, which is what I thought was cool.....man, these Nuc tests are getting to me.

EngineGirl

 

[rare21]

i was in API around the time he graduated OCS. I never met or saw the guy, but everyone knew who he was and where he was going. If everyone in the Naval Aviation Schools Command knew who he was its kind of weird to not know who he was on board a ship. If he kept a low profile with that history and that name then damn he's good.

 

[wink]

The number of members of congress with children in the military is in part generational. What are the ages of the children of congressmen? Many are likely too old or too young. It doesn't address those that have served in the military but are no longer on active duty. He doesn't ask if a member's siblings are in the service. For all Moore knows a particular member of congress encouraged his child to go into the militray and volunteer for the infantry, but his child decided against it. Which brings up another point. There is no draft. No one made us go into the military. Many of those KIA in OIF and OEF joined post 9/11 and desired combat duty. Their deaths are tragic but they were hardly abducted and forced into military service by a congressman who bribed a draft board to keep his son out of the service. Most distasteful of all in the
F 9/11 scene in question is it simply presupposes that most members of congress care nothing about someone elses son or daughter and only about his own. History is full of the rich, powerful, and elite, politicians, generals, and executives who have had sons serve in the military and even pay the highest price. If those parents had no problem governing or supporting a government at war then this congress can. BTW. Sen McCain's son is in prep school for the USNA.

 

[wink]

And perhaps the most interesting fact not explored by Moore is that over 60% of active duty military members supported the reelection of the President. And sure enough not only was Bush reelected, but all but a couple Republican members of congress were reelected and the GOP took a few seats from the DEMs. So does it matter if some members of congress don't have children in the military they send into battle when the vast majority of those sent to bleed and sweat support said congress and Command in Chief? Further, the majority of Amercicans, whos sons and daughters are on the tip of the spear elected the heartless war mongering GOP. Ya F9/11 really makes you think. It make you think just how warped and insensative a view the man has of his country and majority of it's citizens that he could make a movie like he did. It makes you think how any one could be moved by it like they never thought death, any violent death, isn't disturbing. It makes you think how anyone could be moved for the first time when viewing evidence of a parent's anguish over their childs death. Did they not think it would be heart breaking? But most of all, thinking of F 9/11 reminds me how much money was thrown into the President's hopeful defeat, the lies and distortions told, the hatred and venom that spewed from Hollywood, and it makes me smile. A really big Sh!t eating smile. Because they all think the Bush supporters are stupid rubes, when they are the one that haven't learned their lesson.

 

[EngineGirl]

Ok ok ok....I get it, I get it. I was just trying to tell about a story I read in the paper...thats all. Geesh....

EngineGirl

 

[EngineGirl]

Good points Wink.

 

[vegita1220]

But most of all, thinking of F 9/11 reminds me how much money was thrown into the President's hopeful defeat, the lies and distortions told, the hatred and venom that spewed from Hollywood, and it makes me smile. A really big Sh!t eating smile. Because they all think the Bush supporters are stupid rubes, when they are the one that haven't learned their lesson.

God I LOVE that line! wink, that was absolutely freaking CLASSIC!

 

[VetteMuscle427]

"All of the biggest guns in the left's arsenal - Hollywood, the trial lawyers, the unions, the New York Times, CBS, newly-minted strident liberal talk radio, bombastic and inaccurate "documentaries," all of the skewed members of the MSM... all of them brought their A-game, threw themselves into this fight... and lost to the blogs, talk radio, alternative media, conservative religious groups, and a well-organized GOP ground game.

It's over. None of the left's old tools work anymore."