Read an article by one of the Pilots in Somalia with the 160th SOAR, basically he did a whole write up on all the other helo's that wernt 61 and 64. Some of that stuff was just freaky.
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Royal Marines ride Apache wings to rescue buddy
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Read an article by one of the Pilots in Somalia with the 160th SOAR, basically he did a whole write up on all the other helo's that wernt 61 and 64. Some of that stuff was just freaky.
As with the 60B, I believe the Apache main transmission is rated to run dry for 30 min. In a similiar event as above (wish I could remember the unit), they indeed tested the limits. After taking rounds to the tranny, they flew it dry for 27 min.
Chuck I'm vaguely familar with the incident. I know that they got shot up pretty bad. The aircraft was pretty jacked up from what I heard. There was a test pilot in the flight that landed and switched out with one of the damaged aircrafts pilots and flew it back.
We did have an Apache extract two OH-58D pilotsafter they went down. The copilot gunner of the Apache left the aircraft and got the injured guys. Then he put the worse off pilot in his seat and strapped himself and the othe pilot to the side of the aircraft. Both pilots( CW2 and CPT ) recieved DFC's for the rescue.
Update: Royal Marines ride Apache wings to rescue buddy
Additional Article w/pictures
Marines strap themselves to chopper for daring rescue
These are the astonishing images of the moment four heroic Royal Marines set off to rescue a fallen comrade - strapped to the wings of two Apache helicopters.
In pictures seen here for the first time, the brave volunteers are shown being briefed on last week's perilous mission before flying deep into enemy territory in Afghanistan's Helmand province.
Dubbed 'Flight of the Phoenix', it was the first time such a risky operation had been conducted by British forces in the field of battle.
Despite coming under fire from heavily armed Taliban insurgents, the men were determined to risk their lives to recover their colleague Lance Corporal Mathew Ford, who had been shot as he led his troops in storming a heavily defended fort used as a Taliban headquarters.
Apaches cannot carry passengers, so the Marines strapped themselves to the outsides of the helicopters, buckling themselves to the handgrips the pilots use to climb into the cockpit.
They then flew back into the combat zone to swoop on the compound as two more Apaches hovered above, laying down fire to keep the Taliban at bay.
Tragically, Lance Corporal Ford, 30, of 45 Commando, was found dead - the 46th British serviceman to die in Afghanistan since 2001.
The four Marines jumped off their Apaches and retrieved his body before flying it back to the British military HQ at Camp Bastion.
Last night, the men involved gave their own dramatic accounts of Monday's daring and dangerous mission.
THE MISSING COMRADE
Warrant Officer 1 Colin Hearn, 45, was one of the four men who flew in on the side of an Apache. He is Regimental Sergeant Major of the Royal Marines Landing Force Command Support Group.
He said: "At 8am, a message was posted that one of Z (Zulu) Company was missing.
"There was a lot of concern, but there was no question of not doing anything - it was just how we were going to do it."
Using an Unmanned Airborne Vehicle - a reconnaissance plane that sends video of the battlefield back to the Operations Room - an eagle-eyed RAF man spotted something.
"He was looking at the film footage and saw a lighter colour against the dark," said WO Hearn.
"He saw something lighter on the ground that didn't quite look natural in its surroundings - that was our man."
This was confirmed by an Apache flying overhead, piloted by 'Tom', 39, a member of the Army Air Corps who has asked not to be named.
He was deployed at around 8am when he and another Apache left Camp Bastion and flew to the fort.
"We got a radio message to say there was a possibility someone was missing," said Tom.
Using heat-sensitive equipment, they quickly identified Lance Corporal Ford, but at that stage did not know he was dead.
"We were given the task of protecting the casualty to make sure that he did not fall into enemy hands," said Tom.
"We were then told a ground rescue was going in and we were to set the conditions for that assault."
Both Apaches continued to circle.
"Time was ticking away by this stage and we were getting short on fuel," said Tom.
"I then suggested we could get four soldiers out on Apaches and that we could be in and out in five minutes and get the casualty back to medical treatment."
WO Hearn said: "I had no second thoughts about doing it.
"I thought, 'Not a problem - they are my men, I should be responsible for getting them out'.
"It had never been done before on that particular aircraft. I just wanted to get on.
"We knew what we were going to do. We had a rough plan of how it was going to run."
Brigadier Jerry Thomas, Commander of British Forces in Afghanistan, said: "The Apaches are small and therefore less vulnerable to incoming fire, faster, and carry a formidable array of weapons."
THE VOLUNTEERS
Among the men who put themselves forward for the mission when Commanding Officer Rob Magowan asked for volunteers was young Marine Chris Fraser-Perry.
The 19-year-old, from Southport, Merseyside, passed out as a Marine only 14 months ago. He was a signaller in the headquarters tent.
He said: "The CO asked for volunteers and I volunteered because I'm part of Z Company. I just wanted to help."
Captain Dave Rigg, 30, from Newton Ferrers, Devon, is a Royal Engineer, part of 28 Engineer Regiment, based in Germany.
But he is Commando-trained and has spent long periods serving with the Marines.
On the day of the rescue, he was acting as Battlegroup engineer - advising the CO - but minutes later was being strapped to an Apache.
Why did he volunteer? "It was an instinctive reaction," said Captain Rigg.
"We all felt responsible and we all wanted to help."
THE BRIEFING
Gary Robinson, from Rosyth, Fife, has been a Marine for two years.
He is CO Magowan's signaller and part of the Royal Marines Command Support Group. During the operation he was next to his CO.
He said: "We were given briefs on the layout on the ground and the position of Lance Corporal Ford and told that we were going to be going in on the helicopter and what to do when we got on the ground.
"All that was going through my head was what to do when we got on the ground and just make sure I knew exactly where I was going so I could reach Lance Corporal Ford as soon as possible and get out myself."
INTO ACTION
Flying at low level at 50mph to protect the Marines strapped to the two Apaches, the initial plan was for both aircraft to land by the casualty, who was outside the compound wall.
Gary Robinson said: "As we came in there was a lot of firepower going down with our air assets and artillery.
"There was a wall in front of us which had signs of battle damage."
As they approached, a cloud of thick black smoke obscured their view.
Tom decided there was insufficient ground outside the wall to land both aircraft, so he took the decision to land his inside the wall of the fort, leaving the second aircraft to land next to Lance Corporal Ford.
This change confused the two Marines on the second Apache.
Expecting to land next to the outer wall, when they jumped off they ran towards the wrong wall.
"My two guys jumped off but were disorientated as they expected to be outside the wall," said Tom.
"The pilot, sat behind me, saw they didn't know where they were and said, 'I'm going out'.
"And he got out and ran to assist the other guys."
All three then disappeared through a gap in the outer wall to meet up with the other two troops on foot to recover the casualty.
"I thought 'they'd better be quick,' said Tom.
"It seemed like a lifetime but it was only a couple of minutes. I thought we'd got two to three minutes with the element of surprise before the Taliban realised what was happening.
"After we'd been on the ground for about three minutes we were engaged."
Tom came under fire from a building to his right. He radioed to the Apache above, which fired at the Taliban.
It was as that was going on that his colleagues reached Lance Corporal Ford and carried him to one of the Apaches.
Tom said: "I got a radio call to say they were on their way back and had retrieved the casualty."
His pilot then ran back and got into the aircraft ready to take off.
They had been on the ground for five minutes.
"He was panting, he couldn,t even talk, he was breathing very heavily.
"It had been a close thing."
THE FLIGHT BACK
After dropping off his two Marines, Tom flew for 25 minutes direct to Camp Bastion.
When he landed, he had enough fuel for two more minutes of flight. But his day was not over.
He said: "After landing I gave the thumbs-up, refuelled and re-armed and I was ready to go back out again within 30 minutes."
THE AFTERMATH
Reflecting on their mission, all the men were keen to play down their bravery.
Gary Robinson said: "Any of my colleagues would have done the same thing if the roles were reversed.
"I don't think it was heroic or dangerous. I felt 100 per cent safe at all times, because of the plan and the covering fire. At the end of the day it's our job."
For Tom, it was not until he arrived back at Camp Bastion that he was told Lance Corporal Ford was dead.
Tom said: "I've had two sleepless nights since then.
"The first night I was thinking if we could have done anything quicker.
"I've had a word with the surgeon - Lance Corporal Ford's wounds were fatal. Nothing could have been done."
Chris Fraser-Perry added: "I wanted to get him back. I felt it had to be done. I would expect the same done for me."
Captain Rigg said: "The key message is that there were a lot of very brave guys that day, from the pilots to the young lads who went into the fort initially and were pinned down by the enemy fire, to the Brigade Reconnaissance Force and Light Dragoons who had been out there all night supporting, and all those guys in the HQ that volunteered.
"It wasn't just us guys hanging on the wings, it was those Apache pilots who put the idea together."
WO Hearn said: "There was no way we were going to leave him, or anyone else, on that battlefield."
The day after it happened, Lance Corporal Ford's comrades held a memorial service in the field at 7am.
"Just a ten-minute service with a couple of readings, a two-minute silence and some prayers," said WO Hearn.
"It was a nice touch to put some closure to that certain part of the event.
"The guys can get on with doing the rest of the operation."
Additional Article w/pictures
Marines strap themselves to chopper for daring rescue
These are the astonishing images of the moment four heroic Royal Marines set off to rescue a fallen comrade - strapped to the wings of two Apache helicopters.
In pictures seen here for the first time, the brave volunteers are shown being briefed on last week's perilous mission before flying deep into enemy territory in Afghanistan's Helmand province.
Dubbed 'Flight of the Phoenix', it was the first time such a risky operation had been conducted by British forces in the field of battle.
Despite coming under fire from heavily armed Taliban insurgents, the men were determined to risk their lives to recover their colleague Lance Corporal Mathew Ford, who had been shot as he led his troops in storming a heavily defended fort used as a Taliban headquarters.
Apaches cannot carry passengers, so the Marines strapped themselves to the outsides of the helicopters, buckling themselves to the handgrips the pilots use to climb into the cockpit.
They then flew back into the combat zone to swoop on the compound as two more Apaches hovered above, laying down fire to keep the Taliban at bay.
Tragically, Lance Corporal Ford, 30, of 45 Commando, was found dead - the 46th British serviceman to die in Afghanistan since 2001.
The four Marines jumped off their Apaches and retrieved his body before flying it back to the British military HQ at Camp Bastion.
Last night, the men involved gave their own dramatic accounts of Monday's daring and dangerous mission.
THE MISSING COMRADE
Warrant Officer 1 Colin Hearn, 45, was one of the four men who flew in on the side of an Apache. He is Regimental Sergeant Major of the Royal Marines Landing Force Command Support Group.
He said: "At 8am, a message was posted that one of Z (Zulu) Company was missing.
"There was a lot of concern, but there was no question of not doing anything - it was just how we were going to do it."
Using an Unmanned Airborne Vehicle - a reconnaissance plane that sends video of the battlefield back to the Operations Room - an eagle-eyed RAF man spotted something.
"He was looking at the film footage and saw a lighter colour against the dark," said WO Hearn.
"He saw something lighter on the ground that didn't quite look natural in its surroundings - that was our man."
This was confirmed by an Apache flying overhead, piloted by 'Tom', 39, a member of the Army Air Corps who has asked not to be named.
He was deployed at around 8am when he and another Apache left Camp Bastion and flew to the fort.
"We got a radio message to say there was a possibility someone was missing," said Tom.
Using heat-sensitive equipment, they quickly identified Lance Corporal Ford, but at that stage did not know he was dead.
"We were given the task of protecting the casualty to make sure that he did not fall into enemy hands," said Tom.
"We were then told a ground rescue was going in and we were to set the conditions for that assault."
Both Apaches continued to circle.
"Time was ticking away by this stage and we were getting short on fuel," said Tom.
"I then suggested we could get four soldiers out on Apaches and that we could be in and out in five minutes and get the casualty back to medical treatment."
WO Hearn said: "I had no second thoughts about doing it.
"I thought, 'Not a problem - they are my men, I should be responsible for getting them out'.
"It had never been done before on that particular aircraft. I just wanted to get on.
"We knew what we were going to do. We had a rough plan of how it was going to run."
Brigadier Jerry Thomas, Commander of British Forces in Afghanistan, said: "The Apaches are small and therefore less vulnerable to incoming fire, faster, and carry a formidable array of weapons."
THE VOLUNTEERS
Among the men who put themselves forward for the mission when Commanding Officer Rob Magowan asked for volunteers was young Marine Chris Fraser-Perry.
The 19-year-old, from Southport, Merseyside, passed out as a Marine only 14 months ago. He was a signaller in the headquarters tent.
He said: "The CO asked for volunteers and I volunteered because I'm part of Z Company. I just wanted to help."
Captain Dave Rigg, 30, from Newton Ferrers, Devon, is a Royal Engineer, part of 28 Engineer Regiment, based in Germany.
But he is Commando-trained and has spent long periods serving with the Marines.
On the day of the rescue, he was acting as Battlegroup engineer - advising the CO - but minutes later was being strapped to an Apache.
Why did he volunteer? "It was an instinctive reaction," said Captain Rigg.
"We all felt responsible and we all wanted to help."
THE BRIEFING
Gary Robinson, from Rosyth, Fife, has been a Marine for two years.
He is CO Magowan's signaller and part of the Royal Marines Command Support Group. During the operation he was next to his CO.
He said: "We were given briefs on the layout on the ground and the position of Lance Corporal Ford and told that we were going to be going in on the helicopter and what to do when we got on the ground.
"All that was going through my head was what to do when we got on the ground and just make sure I knew exactly where I was going so I could reach Lance Corporal Ford as soon as possible and get out myself."
INTO ACTION
Flying at low level at 50mph to protect the Marines strapped to the two Apaches, the initial plan was for both aircraft to land by the casualty, who was outside the compound wall.
Gary Robinson said: "As we came in there was a lot of firepower going down with our air assets and artillery.
"There was a wall in front of us which had signs of battle damage."
As they approached, a cloud of thick black smoke obscured their view.
Tom decided there was insufficient ground outside the wall to land both aircraft, so he took the decision to land his inside the wall of the fort, leaving the second aircraft to land next to Lance Corporal Ford.
This change confused the two Marines on the second Apache.
Expecting to land next to the outer wall, when they jumped off they ran towards the wrong wall.
"My two guys jumped off but were disorientated as they expected to be outside the wall," said Tom.
"The pilot, sat behind me, saw they didn't know where they were and said, 'I'm going out'.
"And he got out and ran to assist the other guys."
All three then disappeared through a gap in the outer wall to meet up with the other two troops on foot to recover the casualty.
"I thought 'they'd better be quick,' said Tom.
"It seemed like a lifetime but it was only a couple of minutes. I thought we'd got two to three minutes with the element of surprise before the Taliban realised what was happening.
"After we'd been on the ground for about three minutes we were engaged."
Tom came under fire from a building to his right. He radioed to the Apache above, which fired at the Taliban.
It was as that was going on that his colleagues reached Lance Corporal Ford and carried him to one of the Apaches.
Tom said: "I got a radio call to say they were on their way back and had retrieved the casualty."
His pilot then ran back and got into the aircraft ready to take off.
They had been on the ground for five minutes.
"He was panting, he couldn,t even talk, he was breathing very heavily.
"It had been a close thing."
THE FLIGHT BACK
After dropping off his two Marines, Tom flew for 25 minutes direct to Camp Bastion.
When he landed, he had enough fuel for two more minutes of flight. But his day was not over.
He said: "After landing I gave the thumbs-up, refuelled and re-armed and I was ready to go back out again within 30 minutes."
THE AFTERMATH
Reflecting on their mission, all the men were keen to play down their bravery.
Gary Robinson said: "Any of my colleagues would have done the same thing if the roles were reversed.
"I don't think it was heroic or dangerous. I felt 100 per cent safe at all times, because of the plan and the covering fire. At the end of the day it's our job."
For Tom, it was not until he arrived back at Camp Bastion that he was told Lance Corporal Ford was dead.
Tom said: "I've had two sleepless nights since then.
"The first night I was thinking if we could have done anything quicker.
"I've had a word with the surgeon - Lance Corporal Ford's wounds were fatal. Nothing could have been done."
Chris Fraser-Perry added: "I wanted to get him back. I felt it had to be done. I would expect the same done for me."
Captain Rigg said: "The key message is that there were a lot of very brave guys that day, from the pilots to the young lads who went into the fort initially and were pinned down by the enemy fire, to the Brigade Reconnaissance Force and Light Dragoons who had been out there all night supporting, and all those guys in the HQ that volunteered.
"It wasn't just us guys hanging on the wings, it was those Apache pilots who put the idea together."
WO Hearn said: "There was no way we were going to leave him, or anyone else, on that battlefield."
The day after it happened, Lance Corporal Ford's comrades held a memorial service in the field at 7am.
"Just a ten-minute service with a couple of readings, a two-minute silence and some prayers," said WO Hearn.
"It was a nice touch to put some closure to that certain part of the event.
"The guys can get on with doing the rest of the operation."
If by cool you mean enabling the press and public to armchair QB the entire war, then yeah, I guess it's cool.
Brett
Ha, point taken. Agreed ...
invertedflyer
500 ft. from said obstacle
They had a special on this on the Military Channel... I think it was called "Task Force Red Dog" ... The cobra pilots were from a reserve unit, HMLA-773 if I remember correctly. Good documentary if you get a chance.
VIDEO ... :thumbup_1
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d03858b562
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d03858b562