Road to 350: What Does the US Navy Do Anyway?

[WhiskeySierra6]

Well, prior to 2016, you had to be within height / weight standards or pass a rope and choke with 22% / 30% bodyfat for men / women. So reasonably, you're pushing it if you have about a 36-38" / 32-34" waist... provided the test was administered properly.

Then we said screw that noise, we'll go to a flat 39" / 35.5" waist.

Then SECDEF said that the Navy is too fat and we need to fix ourselves by going back to the standards of 1992.

So we came up with an over complicated system that allows you to have a waist well in excess of 40" and pass, albeit you will be on mandatory FEP, because the cut line is now 26% bodyfat for men and 36% bodyfat for women.

Why wouldn't you compare the fitness standards now to what they were immediately before they were changed (1 PFA/year and 39/35.5" waist)?

 

[Spekkio]

Why wouldn't you compare the fitness standards now to what they were immediately before they were changed (1 PFA/year and 39/35.5" waist)?

I'm not understanding what part of my post was confusing to you.

 

[WhiskeySierra6]

I'm not understanding what part of my post was confusing to you.

The part I quoted about lowering fitness standards by a large margin. We increased the number of times per year we take the PRT, the BCA is a push, you can now be separated again for PFA failures whereas before you would only not advance.

 

[Spekkio]

The part I quoted about lowering fitness standards by a large margin. We increased the number of times per year we take the PRT, the BCA is a push, you can now be separated again for PFA failures whereas before you would only not advance.

The BCA is not a push. The max waist size was raised from 39 / 35.5" to 44-46", because the max bodyfat allowed was raised from 24 / 32% to 26 / 36%.

My point of referencing the pre-2016 standards is that the new BCA is even farther from that, contrary to the direction given by SECDEF.

Doing the PRT more frequently isn't an increase in standards. The scores to pass remain the same.

 

[WhiskeySierra6]

The BCA is not a push. The max waist size was raised from 39 / 35.5" to 44-46", because the max bodyfat allowed was raised from 24 / 32% to 26 / 36%.

My point of referencing the pre-2016 standards is that the new BCA is even farther from that, contrary to the direction given by SECDEF.

Doing the PRT more frequently isn't an increase in standards. The scores to pass remain the same.

To pass the BCA with a 44" waist, you'd have to be 6'9". The chart ends at 45.5" so I guess if you were 7'+ you could get a waiver or something. All this to say, youre correct in that 17-39 year olds can now get away with 2-4% more body fat. I think we just disagree on the definition of "large margin".

The PRT standard has literally increased from pass it once a year to pass it twice a year. That's just objectively true.

Anyway...

 

[taxi1]

The chart ends at 45.5"

So does the Navy Exchange

 

[Spekkio]

To pass the BCA with a 44" waist, you'd have to be 6'9". The chart ends at 45.5" so I guess if you were 7'+ you could get a waiver or something. All this to say, youre correct in that 17-39 year olds can now get away with 2-4% more body fat. I think we just disagree on the definition of "large margin".

The PRT standard has literally increased from pass it once a year to pass it twice a year. That's just objectively true.

Anyway...

You're misreading the chart for the body fat test (step 2 in guide 4).

The 0.55 waist to height ratio test is superfluous in terms of passing because the next step just throws that away and uses your height, waist, and weight to estimate bodyfat percentage, with an allowance of 26% for men and 36% for women.

Although you trigger mandatory FEP by going to step 2, you can easily pass with a 44" waist as short as 5'8" for a man and 5'1" for a woman.

 

[WhiskeySierra6]

You're misreading the chart for the body fat test (step 2 in guide 4).

The 0.55 waist to height ratio test is superfluous in terms of passing because the next step just throws that away and uses your height, waist, and weight to estimate bodyfat percentage, with an allowance of 26% for men and 36% for women.

Although you trigger mandatory FEP by going to step 2, you can easily pass with a 44" waist as short as 5'8" for a man and 5'1" for a woman.

OK I'll bite. Check my math. A person who is 5'8" (68") can have a maximum waist of 37" per Table-1. With a 44" waist we get a 24 (68-44) for the height - waist metric to use in Table 2. To pass with 26% body fat they'd have to be 149 lbs (page 13). That sound right to you/did I miscalculate anything?

 

[SteveHolt!!!]

Although you trigger mandatory FEP by going to step 2, you can easily pass with a 44" waist as short as 5'8" for a man and 5'1" for a woman.

Probably supports your point that the new test is pretty lenient…. But I think you’re mistaken on this point. Going to step 2 doesn’t trigger FEP.