Or having his picture painted on the hangar doors…
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Road to 350: What Does the US Navy Do Anyway?
- Thread starter Randy Daytona
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AIRMMCPORET
Plan “A/B” Retired
Well we better figure it out because the Chinese army sitting on their laurels.
Supposedly part of the partnership with Hanwha investing in the US and reopening up Philly. In theory…
This is a version of “just do something,” without bothering to consider whether that something is the right thing to do.
Making a bunch of pretty slides and naming everything “Trump” or “47” is doing something.
That’ll sure show the CCP!
How long ago were the last successful surface warfare ships designed? The Arleigh Burke’s under President Reagan in the 1980’s? At least its good to have a Commander in Chief that takes an interest in the Navy - whether or not the Navy and industry can improve on the LCS ($30B) on the Zumwalt ($30B) on the Constellation ($5B ?) remains to be seen.
They’ve all tried.
AIRMMCPORET
Plan “A/B” Retired
Uh no. Does figuring it out mean just do something? Never did in my Naval career.
The most likely positive change will be that this Administration accepts that development is hard and will accept an iterative design approach.
Politically they’ll really do it to save face, with the same tactics of deny everything, make counter accusations.
But from an actual program perspective, that’s also how we used to build ships, as ship construction takes so goddamn long, you kind need to just accept that for the first few in any class. Somewhere along the way we fell in love with the idea that every new ship class needed to be absolutely perfect to its design requirements and nothing else was acceptable.
As to whether they actually do better than the past? Still very very questionable. On one hand they’re trying radically different - approaching ROK as the global “pros from Dover” is a huge change from our usual “not invented here sucks” fantasy. On the other…the TRUMP class as a concept is also fucking crazy. I think it might still succeed if they keep what DDG(X) originally planned to do, with legacy systems being fitted to start, and only being replaced by the sci fi shit (lasers and railguns) as it matures. And a big part of what really killed us in the past was fucking up requirements. Zumwalt was actually pretty well run…to achieve a requirement that rapidly became obsolete. LCS was a great concept to start, then the big R requirements smashed against the little R requirements of NAVSEA standards and nobody untangled that mess. We’ll see how this one goes.
The part about the ROK really stands out.
As for the ship itself, from what I saw it appears to be about the size of an Alaska - a really big cruiser - but with only 128 VLS ?
128 regular VLS. It also adds a bunch of big ass tubes for CPS hypersonics. And also railguns and lasers. And nuclear missiles. For a missile age counterpart by displacement, only the Soviet Kirovs really match it.
And to power all that, if this thing isn’t nuclear, it’s probably going to be such a fucking fuel hog it’ll need a new class of oilers to be built just to follow it around.
Big Beautiful Gunship?