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Road to 350: What Does the US Navy Do Anyway?

Swanee said:
They don't care about Chicago the way they would care about Dallas or Austin or Houston.
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I don't disagree with your statement.
I just wonder if one' s level of "care about" automatically equates to one's level of "being professional."
That would be like saying the AD would adjust their ability to effectively fight a war based on what they feel about the country they were in at the time.
 
Spekkio said:
The general public angst against illegal immigration and support for militaristic enforcement would be a fraction of what it is today if the scapegoat wasn't brown-skinned people who speak English as a second language or not at all.

Almost 10% of illegal aliens are from Europe and Canada. I don't see any outrage about building a wall on the NY border to keep those darn poutine eaters out of our country. I don't hear anyone saying things like those damn illegal immigrants from Germany are driving wages down. When it comes to white people, it's generally accepted as "the cost of doing business" as a nation that built itself on opportunities for immigrants.

The racist aspect of the issue is what's preventing sensible, bi-partisan policies from being passed to address it.

You, being a college-educated person who actually researches issues, do not represent the average voter who supports Trump's policies. His entire platform is rooted in populism and his mk1 mod0 constituent cannot draw a logical legal line for his use of the NG in LA, Portland, and Chicago. That's not partisan BS, it's the demographic results of exit polls.

But then again, Trump's own AG is having trouble making arguments for Trump's policies because he keeps getting his peepee slapped by judges. And if we consider the full spectrum of response options available to the President to enforce immigration laws, federalizing the NG from a deep red state and invoking the insurrection act to deploy them into a blue state falls in the category of political theater.

Biden didn't just take a 'softer line.' He offered asylum and every nation south of Florida knew how to exploit it.
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There’s a happy medium between Biden’s head-in-the-sand approach and Trump’s cruel ICE machinations and blatant violation of Posse Comitatus.

People would just rather pander to their base emotions than try to find it.
 
Randy Daytona said:
And what exactly is this Happy Medium?
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Start by acknowledging that border control and immigration are two separate issues.
Address the demand signal with respect to low wage jobs that drive illegal immigration.
For people already here, provide a defined path to citizenship. Ensure that part of bureaucracy is functional and straightforward.

There is probably more, but I am far from an expert. Standing by to get AW big-dogged.
 
Randy Daytona said:
And what exactly is this Happy Medium?
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You could solve a fuck-ton of issues by not requiring business owners to file B-3 visa applications and pay the fees on behalf of their would-be workers and not having a two year time delay between applying for a diversity visa (which is only open for 1 month out of the year) and waiting 14 months to find out if you won the lottery.

"Wait, I have to spend a few hours of my time to fill out forms and pay several hundred dollars to make myself have to pay this person minimum wage? And then my taxes go up? Fuck that!"

You can also solve a fuckton of enforcement issues if municipal LEOs were required to verify citizenship and forward people for deportation in the absence of documentation. Easy federal law: states cannot issue drivers licenses to illegal aliens that are insistinguishable from drivers licenses to legal permanent residents and citizens. But apparently that's Nazi business.

Our immigration policy is only friendly to people who are highly skilled and educated - doctors, lawyers, nurses, business owners, professional athletes, etc... if you're a blue-collar joe, then good fucking luck. Better marry an American or have a baby on U.S. soil because the family or marriage visa is the only way you're going to get here with papers.

But again - the core red-line to immigration reform is that the GOP does not want more unskilled legal immigrants from Central and South America in the country. Period. They view hispanic immigrants as presenting a cultural threat to America. They want people that businesses can exploit or not at all, so the Democrats' sticking point of raising quotas is a 3rd rail. Meanwhile, there are enough people on the Democrat side of the house who vehemently oppose streamlining immigration enforcement and deportations because they believe it will violate the rights of legal immigrants and American citizens, so the GOP's sticking point of making it easier to prevent entry and remove illegal aliens from the U.S. is a 3rd rail.

So whenever immigration reform goes to a vote it dies.

Full retard is the only way to describe it.
 
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Spekkio said:
Easy federal law: states cannot issue drivers licenses to illegal aliens that are insistinguishable from drivers licenses to legal permanent residents and citizens. But apparently that's Nazi business.
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Isn't this what a Real ID is? Here in Massachusetts, you can get a MA DL without proof of legal residency -- but you can only get a REAL ID-compliant MA DL if you can prove you're here legally.

Spekkio said:
So whenever immigration reform goes to a vote it dies.
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Virtually the entire agricultural industry is built on the availability of illegal immigrant labor. No one wants to solve the problem, and few in politics have the guts to say why.
 
number9 said:
Isn't this what a Real ID is? Here in Massachusetts, you can get a MA DL without proof of legal residency -- but you can only get a REAL ID-compliant MA DL if you can prove you're here legally.
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Converse error in logic. The presence of a real id proves citizenship or permanent resident status, but the absence of a real id does not prove someone is an illegal alien. Moreover, there is no standard mechanism for LEOs to verify citizenship and take someone into custody to be turned over to ICE, and I'd be a fan if police had to do 100% citizenship or visa checks.

Massachusetts allows undocumented immigrants to obtain a standard driver's license. If a police officer stops an illegal alien with a license for a routine traffic stop, they'll get a ticket (or just a warning if they weren't going over 90 mph) and be sent on their way.

The glitch in the system is that the vast majority of law enforcement in the country is conducted at the municipal level and immigration is federal business. There needs to be legislation to allow / require a legal hand shake and turnover, and any proposal that does this is wildly unpopular with Democrats because they wrongly believe that tough immigration enforcement will drive away votes from lawful immigrants, so they cry Nazi state.

Your second point falls under the exploitation umbrella I mentioned previously.
 
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taxi1 said:
At that time do they then know they are undocumented? Which I assume you mean that haven't sought asylum, aren't checking in regularly, etc.?
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Yes. The required documents for an illegal alien to obtain a driver's license is different.

You cannot get a MA driver's license while in a tourist or temporary visitor status. The state honors foreign licenses as long as they're printed in English.

This is duplicated in several other states, although I don't know how many. The foreign national officers I work with are all driving with their native licenses.

The state would rather have illegal aliens drive safe on the road. The DMV has no immigration enforcement authority.
 
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Griz882 said:
Now, if a number of residents of City A are making it difficult for ICE to execute the law…then then the POTUS has every right to order the National Guard to that place to do two (and only two) things; (1) protect federal property and (2) protect federal agents in the execution of their duties. The guard can’t arrest anyone unless the state or county deputizes them so they typically don’t carry firearms.
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In 'normal' times the deployment of the National Guard would be much less controversial, as it has been when the NY ARNG deployed to help with security in NYC at times. But this seems to be deliberately confrontational and possibly prepping for something much bigger and far more intrusive, planting at flag so to speak before pushing for more, and more...and more.

The number of Guardsmen being deployed is not significant, 200 to start so you are talking about having ~50 on duty at one time, a small enough number that frankly probably could be done by other Federal law enforcement as it has been done in the past. A much larger role for the Guard and the military in domestic law enforcement has been and continues to be advocated by current government officials, so it really isn't a stretch to think this is only the beginning of a much larger push for a military role in domestic law enforcement.
 
PhrogPhlyer said:
And LOEs I know say they often will not pull over a vehicle, unless excessive speed (90+) if it is being driven by any number of minority groups.
This stems from the NJ State Police being sued in the '80s for racial profiling, they lost the case which cost the State millions.
They had a 99.5% positive hit on rental vehicles at night from VA, if northbound on the NJ Turnpike they we bringing in guns to trade for drugs, if southbound they had drugs. The State police called it criminal profiling supported by data, the jury saw otherwise. Since then NJ turns a blind eye to much on the highway to preclude a similar very expensive lawsuit.
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New Jersey State Police was placed under a 'consent decree' with the US government for a decade starting in 1999, not the 80's, and it was because a court case found that the state police had racially discriminated against black and Hispanic drivers by pulling them over...simply because they were black or Hispanic. And I seriously doubt they had a "99.5% positive rate", whatever that is supposed to mean, on the things you claim.

Of course the NJ state police also have a problem of what they do not enforce, with 'courtesy cards' being close to a literal 'get out of jail free' card apparently.

"Of the 501 stops OSC reviewed, 87 motorists presented courtesy cards which came from municipal police departments, county and state agencies, as well as inter-state and out-of-state law enforcement agencies. They all appeared to be equally effective at getting motorists released without enforcement."
 
Flash said:
New Jersey State Police was placed under a 'consent decree' with the US government for a decade starting in 1999, not the 80's, and it was because a court case found that the state police had racially discriminated against black and Hispanic drivers by pulling them over...simply because they were black or Hispanic. And I seriously doubt they had a "99.5% positive rate", whatever that is supposed to mean, on the things you claim.

Of course the NJ state police also have a problem of what they do not enforce, with 'courtesy cards' being close to a literal 'get out of jail free' card apparently.

"Of the 501 stops OSC reviewed, 87 motorists presented courtesy cards which came from municipal police departments, county and state agencies, as well as inter-state and out-of-state law enforcement agencies. They all appeared to be equally effective at getting motorists released without enforcement."
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As an aggregate group, police officers in the tri-state area behave like middle school children. They are clique-y, put the interests of officers (and their friends and families) over law enforcement, and if they don't like a policy they will pout and not enforce the law.

The politicians can't do too much about it because they owe their jobs to the police unions, which is also why they are extremely well-compensated compared to the national average.

Everything you learned about the Boss Tweed era still exists, just on a lower scale.
 
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