Rifle and Pistol Qual?

[donnyglaze]

I didn't mean to come off as seeming unhappy or that I'm only focused on getting shiny things on my chest. I merely was asking a question about the lack of a rifle range here in Pensacola while trying to interject some humor into the conversation. And being technically and tactically proficient with a rifle and sidearm is important because we all know that every Marine is at first a rifleman.

I really need to get myself a joke font to make things really clear.

 

[Phoenix1]

yea i dont know what teabag53 is all worked up about but there is no way in hell you could spend every waking moment studying. you would turn on yourself the first time you get the gun in your hand at the range. you will have more time in flight school that you know what to do with... sure there is definitely time to hammer down and stay in your books, but there is no way there is enough stuff that you cannot get out and do a TON on rec stuff, including shooting. and you will not be taking the shooting slot from anyone, they had more guns and spots on the line than they knew what to do with when they called us out to shoot. not to mention these are not weekly or monthly slots and you have to sign up, they assign you the shooting slot so i'm not sure what he is talking about "taking it from a marine who needs it," dont worry that wont happen. just wait until your intermed/adv squadron and you will most likely do it there. good luck

 

[Pepe]

yea i dont know what teabag53 is all worked up about but there is no way in hell you could spend every waking moment studying. you would turn on yourself the first time you get the gun in your hand at the range. you will have more time in flight school that you know what to do with... sure there is definitely time to hammer down and stay in your books, but there is no way there is enough stuff that you cannot get out and do a TON on rec stuff, including shooting. and you will not be taking the shooting slot from anyone, they had more guns and spots on the line than they knew what to do with when they called us out to shoot. not to mention these are not weekly or monthly slots and you have to sign up, they assign you the shooting slot so i'm not sure what he is talking about "taking it from a marine who needs it," dont worry that wont happen. just wait until your intermed/adv squadron and you will most likely do it there. good luck

I don't think you have a full understanding of what's going on here. OP was originally asking about staying current with his rifle/pistol qual. We're supposed to qual once a year in the Corps (also supposed to get a grenade toss too). It was explained that we're exempt from our yearly requirements while we're in a training status. Jarhead chimed in, saying that he hasn't been since TBS because the qual is used in Enlisted Marine's cutting scores (promotions), and there isn't enough room for everyone to go in the fleet. If you go shoot in the fleet, you're probably taking a slot from a junior Marine who needed the qual to promote.

 

[Ave8tor]

you shoot when you hit intermediate/advanced. jets for sure, maybe/maybe not for helos. and its usually only non-academy because most academy have their quals. if not, they will be out there with you. pistol only too, no rifle as we do not carry rifles, only pistols...in theater. just wait until you get to your advanced stage, if you need the qual, they will send you to your base range for it, if you don't need it, don't sweat it

yea i dont know what teabag53 is all worked up about but there is no way in hell you could spend every waking moment studying. you would turn on yourself the first time you get the gun in your hand at the range. you will have more time in flight school that you know what to do with... sure there is definitely time to hammer down and stay in your books, but there is no way there is enough stuff that you cannot get out and do a TON on rec stuff, including shooting. and you will not be taking the shooting slot from anyone, they had more guns and spots on the line than they knew what to do with when they called us out to shoot. not to mention these are not weekly or monthly slots and you have to sign up, they assign you the shooting slot so i'm not sure what he is talking about "taking it from a marine who needs it," dont worry that wont happen. just wait until your intermed/adv squadron and you will most likely do it there. good luck

Phoenix1, I don't know if you are a Marine or Navy, or if you are at Kingsville or Meridian, but you are passing bad gouge. I have known a ton of people that have gone through TW-1 and have never heard of anyone going to any rifle/pistol range to qualify (I can't even imagine where there is a KD rifle range). The reason you are in flight school is to learn to fly, not shoot. Don't tell people they will go to the range when they get to intermediate/advanced... especially jets, because they won't.

PS - People don't really call it intermediate any more... unless you are a FO (although I am talking out my ass as to what goes on in P'cola).

donnyglaze, enjoy the time where you don't have to get into that motivated sitting or kneeling position. Don't worry about the badges, you probably won't wear your Alpha's until checking into the RAG anyway, and even then most Lts are devoid of any chest candy besides the pizza stain.

 

[Bevo16]

Dude, are you fucking serious??? Medals, shooting badges??? Is that what's important??? I feel like I'm on crazy pills.

Don't know about crazy pills, but someone might have swapped your tic-tac with overreaction pills.

Might want to try some of this for a while:

 

[HueyCobra8151]

yea i dont know what teabag53 is all worked up about but there is no way in hell you could spend every waking moment studying. you would turn on yourself the first time you get the gun in your hand at the range. you will have more time in flight school that you know what to do with... sure there is definitely time to hammer down and stay in your books, but there is no way there is enough stuff that you cannot get out and do a TON on rec stuff, including shooting. and you will not be taking the shooting slot from anyone, they had more guns and spots on the line than they knew what to do with when they called us out to shoot. not to mention these are not weekly or monthly slots and you have to sign up, they assign you the shooting slot so i'm not sure what he is talking about "taking it from a marine who needs it," dont worry that wont happen. just wait until your intermed/adv squadron and you will most likely do it there. good luck

You're out of your element Donny!!

 

[teabag53]

I didn't mean to come off as seeming unhappy or that I'm only focused on getting shiny things on my chest. I merely was asking a question about the lack of a rifle range here in Pensacola while trying to interject some humor into the conversation. And being technically and tactically proficient with a rifle and sidearm is important because we all know that every Marine is at first a rifleman.

I really need to get myself a joke font to make things really clear.

Joke noted. My larger point is that your primary focus should be supporting Marines be it getting them in the right zone on time and safely, ordnance on target, etc.

It has been my experience that a rifle slot for an O takes one from an E...perhaps not reflective of all communites. Pistol quals and rifle fam fires (not for qual) happen in pre-deployment work-ups so I wouldn't sweat it.

 

[Herc_Dude]

Our helo guys carry rifles too, FWIW.

Didn't mean to imply you didn't bro, I know you guys pack. I was directing my comments mostly toward Phoenix1. Looks like everyone else took care of that issue...

 

[H60Gunner]

I have been in the Navy since 1996. The last time I saw a range was in boot camp.

(the two-way range in the desert not withstanding, didn't get to shoot there anyway..just a lot of looking)

Serious Bevo? That's a shame, when I was in 8 EVERYONE shot. What happened to that?

 

[Bevo16]

Serious Bevo? That's a shame, when I was in 8 EVERYONE shot. What happened to that?

Bad timing.

I reported to the squadron at the pier 6 hours before the brow went up for deployment. When they did a refresher on board shooting off the fantail, I was doing a 4 day cross-deck with an HSL det on one of the small boys. When we went to the desert, one of the AW's game me the "this is how it works, any questions" brief before I signed for my rifle and side-arm.

I grew up with guns and just about every kind of weapon, so it's not like I needed any kind of range time to be more than proficient. I had probably fired more rounds by the time I was 18 than my AWCS.

It's not like we were flying over the battle of Fallujah or anything, we were just doing border/river ISR, convoy escort, and pipeline security (among a few other things). If I ever got into a situation were lack of range time was an issue, the day was pretty much fucked at that point anyway.

 

[H60Gunner]

Bad timing.

I reported to the squadron at the pier 6 hours before the brow went up for deployment. When they did a refresher on board shooting off the fantail, I was doing a 4 day cross-deck with an HSL det on one of the small boys. When we went to the desert, one of the AW's game me the "this is how it works, any questions" brief before I signed for my rifle and side-arm.

I grew up with guns and just about every kind of weapon, so it's not like I needed any kind of range time to be more than proficient. I had probably fired more rounds by the time I was 18 than my AWCS.

It's not like we were flying over the battle of Fallujah or anything, we were just doing border/river ISR, convoy escort, and pipeline security (among a few other things). If I ever got into a situation were lack of range time was an issue, the day was pretty much fucked at that point anyway.

Good! Glad they don't have something stupid like "we only have enough ammo for xx people to qual".

 

[Bevo16]

Oh, there was plenty of that too...

We had to figure out who we were going to make level II, and allocate the bullets to them. Cost of ammo was a limiting factor for sure.

 

[Phoenix1]

donny- sorry must have missed that you're marine, so you won't experience what i did for pistol quals in adv.

ave8tor- not bad gouge at all, its just my experience, as is what everyone posts on here... their experience. if you are navy, without a qual yet, hit adv jets, you will shoot. its on every single new class' schedule for the first friday after ground school. i did it many months ago, and new classes are still doing it to this day. so not bag gouge, its correct, it just may not apply to him seeing that he is marine and may or may not have jets in his future. dont be so quick to shame... you may have never heard of it or experienced it because you went through a couple years ago, things DO change sometimes...

 

[ACowboyinTexas]

donny- sorry must have missed that you're marine, so you won't experience what i did for pistol quals in adv.

ave8tor- not bad gouge at all, its just my experience, as is what everyone posts on here... their experience. if you are navy, without a qual yet, hit adv jets, you will shoot. its on every single new class' schedule for the first friday after ground school. i did it many months ago, and new classes are still doing it to this day. so not bag gouge, its correct, it just may not apply to him seeing that he is marine and may or may not have jets in his future. dont be so quick to shame... you may have never heard of it or experienced it because you went through a couple years ago, things DO change sometimes...

OK, son, you're right about one thing, "things do change" and everyone's experience may or may not be applicable to someone else. During the years I've been at Kingsville, I've seen the pendulum swing from "everyone shoots" to "nobody but security shoots", so please use a little more humility when explaining how your bad gouge isn't bad gouge. You can't know whether Donny will get to the qualification range or not.

 

[ChunksJR]

You can't know whether Donny will get to the qualification range or not.

If he's a self serving bastard he will.