You are right, my mistake.
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You are right, my mistake.
snizo
Supply Officer
Correct on pt # 1 - they can get a SWO medical pin, not the regular SWO pin.
As for pt # 2 ... "drive the ship" and all that entails - yes.
hm2anderson
EP-3 NFO
It sounds like the original poster has "pin envy." There are two things you can do about it: 1. Get over the fact that you won't have a shiny gold pin on your chest, 2. Apply for a URL community.
I am a self-diagnosed sufferer of "pin envy." Although I did qualify for a Designator (FMF Ribbon) it was only after I transfered commands that the new FMF Warfare Pin came on-line. I think I am the only Non-Nuc Officer Candidate at my unit with out a pin. I think everyone assumes I failed the program. Oh well.
I have taken the above advice and applied for a URL community.
I am a self-diagnosed sufferer of "pin envy." Although I did qualify for a Designator (FMF Ribbon) it was only after I transfered commands that the new FMF Warfare Pin came on-line. I think I am the only Non-Nuc Officer Candidate at my unit with out a pin. I think everyone assumes I failed the program. Oh well.
I have taken the above advice and applied for a URL community.
You can wear the pin if earned. Now if you earn another pin then you can wear it also as long as it is not in the same group. So you can't wear a SWO pin with the ESWS. Same for Pilot and EAWS.
Okay, I'm gonna piss off staff pukes here...
The Surface Warfare Medical, Dental, Nurse, Supply, etc. are not warfare insignia. The requirements to get them are a joke and in no way qualify the holders as a war fighter. They are "feel good" pins that came out after a lot of crying by the staff pukes about being second class citizens.
I was on TR when they first came out. Our CO told all those interested that if they wanted to earn the pin, they had to actually join the bridge watch rotation, qualify in the various watch position and stay on it for the entire deployment. He wasn't going to allow them just to do the BS 5 or 6 "familiarization" watches the PQS required. He said the same about various damage control, combat, etc. requirements. We had 1 Doc out of the initial hordes of staff pukes that was willing to do it the CO's way. The rest pussied out claiming our CO was making it too hard. Our CO just said if they were going to get a "warfare pin", then they needed to know the subject thoroughly.
Zarco
Registered User
Not pin envy, but rather trying to get an answer
I am too looking into AMDO. As I understand LDO's could be qualified as SWO's, not necessarily to take command of a ship, but they could still assist as any other SWO. Doesn't this mean Restricted line AMDO's are equally qualified to earn this pin? I'm just looking for an educated answer, that's all.
I am too looking into AMDO. As I understand LDO's could be qualified as SWO's, not necessarily to take command of a ship, but they could still assist as any other SWO. Doesn't this mean Restricted line AMDO's are equally qualified to earn this pin? I'm just looking for an educated answer, that's all.
snizo
Supply Officer
If you're a SWO/bubblehead/aviation type - you get an in-depth board for a warfare pin because your primary job is to work in that community.
Say my first supply tour is on a submarine (which chops can only do as a first tour) - why should I be evaluated like a bubblehead for my pin by the supply promotion boards when I will never again be on a submarine? If the staff corps officers are properly diversifying their careers, they won't spend much time with any one community. The purpose of the supply ___ pin is to show you are able to sustain that ____ unit throughout the operational cycle - not to show anyone you can launch missiles.
In any case - I would only refer to it as a warfare pin in title only because of its similar appearance to the chest candy that actually is a 'warfare pin' - the purpose is different.
Say my first supply tour is on a submarine (which chops can only do as a first tour) - why should I be evaluated like a bubblehead for my pin by the supply promotion boards when I will never again be on a submarine? If the staff corps officers are properly diversifying their careers, they won't spend much time with any one community. The purpose of the supply ___ pin is to show you are able to sustain that ____ unit throughout the operational cycle - not to show anyone you can launch missiles.
In any case - I would only refer to it as a warfare pin in title only because of its similar appearance to the chest candy that actually is a 'warfare pin' - the purpose is different.
Thisguy
Pain-in-the-dick
But are those LDOs SWO LDOs? If so, then there's your answer. I'm a former AMDO and I haven't heard of any ship company AIMD officer getting qualified in SWO. My final answer is: No. AMDOs won't be able to get a SWO pin. The 1520 community has been trying to get a pin forever and it's just not gonna happen.
hm2anderson
EP-3 NFO
Concur on "Feel Good" Pins but dont you think the TR CO could have ruined some careers there? What do you say about your Flight Surgeon's Wings?
They're not a warfare pin. They earned them by going through the Flight Doc syllabus, to include some flying. Apples and Oranges to me.
No. He gave them every opportunity to earn them. He just said that they had to do it right. The staff guys on the TR were the only guys working somewhat normal days with no underway watches. They were the ones in the wardroom watching movies every night. They had plenty of time to join a watch team if they really felt the need to earn their pin. In fact, I found time to do my job, stand my bridge watches, fly with the air wing, and earn a SWO pin. Why? Because I wanted it. I sacrificed "time off", sleep and wardroom movies to meet my goal. They could have too.
And as gatordev said. There is a difference in the qualification process between flight surgeon wings and Surface Warfare Medical Officer. Flight Surgeons have to learn and know about flying and the stresses of flight on the body to be effective. It's a specialization.
From what Steve (our resident SWO) has posted, only actual SWOs can qualify for the SWO pin. Others may be able to qualify for ODO (probably what you're thinking of), TAO or CDO, but those don't rate a pin of any kind. If you're an AMDO in a squadron or AIMD, etc, you're going to be too busy to worry about learning how to drive the ship.
Brett