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Primary 4th of July flight schedule
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gdd05
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@ gatordev and ksufly... thanks that was all I was looking for.
It just seemed like the fourth might be a good time to have family come visit. I will still fly the sked and I won't take any leave. I just assumed that the command might be more inclined to take a few days off around that time. Seemed like a reasonable idea to me. BTW, no hard feelings I have some pretty thick skin.
It just seemed like the fourth might be a good time to have family come visit. I will still fly the sked and I won't take any leave. I just assumed that the command might be more inclined to take a few days off around that time. Seemed like a reasonable idea to me. BTW, no hard feelings I have some pretty thick skin.
This is a fair question from the student perspective.
You can expect Wed, 4 July, to be a no fly day. Mon, Tue, Thu, and Fri will be normal work days. There will also be the normal weekend flying the weekends before and after.
Primary sqaudrons don't have enough time in the year to shut down on extraneous non-federal holiday days other than Xmas/New Years.
There are rare exceptions, but the decision to shut down isn't usually made until a couple days or hours in advance. And then if weather or aircraft availability screws up training production, the planned shutdown could easily go away.
You can expect Wed, 4 July, to be a no fly day. Mon, Tue, Thu, and Fri will be normal work days. There will also be the normal weekend flying the weekends before and after.
Primary sqaudrons don't have enough time in the year to shut down on extraneous non-federal holiday days other than Xmas/New Years.
There are rare exceptions, but the decision to shut down isn't usually made until a couple days or hours in advance. And then if weather or aircraft availability screws up training production, the planned shutdown could easily go away.
You got to get in your head that there are two types of leave as a student in flight training. Emergency leave (if your mother, father, wife, husband, son, daughter, brother, sister should die or become fatally ill) and holiday leave. There is one holiday during flight training and it runs a couple days before Xmas to a couple days after New Years.
If you get anything else along the way, it is a gift.
Wow, a lot of salty fleet guys in here who forget what it was like at Whiting or P-cola. That is a legit question and just because you don't get the 4th off because you are haze grey and underway, or worse, doesn't mean the whole world has to suffer too. Cut him some slack. He will be eating christmas dinner in the gulf soon enough! No need to start before he has to. Unless we all agree that we will only celebrate the holidays that Rob is able to. Seems to be the desire......
Not being salty at all maybe I can help out...kindof stepped out of the thread for a while and just coming back...
Last year the 4th of July was a long weekend, 72 or 96, and those who requested leave still fell under the regular liberty bounds. In my experience leave in the training squadrons is extremely hard to get other than Christmas / Thanksgiving and even then don't be looking for time longer than the days the squadrons will be shutdown anyway. Federal holidays make for nice long weekeneds but it doesn't mean you will get the day off, only that it will be a lighter flight schedule if there is one and even then you could still fly during the weekend before.
It is a legit question to ask, my problem is the whole 4 months ahead. In my experience OPs has only a very vague idea of what they will be doing the following couple weeks and its seems to be instead run day by day... Just my .02
Finally a reasonable response.........Couple people blew their top with little reason.
TO the OP.....that is the whole reason you drop a leave chit....the more important the request, the earlier you route the leave chit. You are going to get 10 different answers around the squadron. Route the chit, make people put their john hancock on it, and let your COC decide. Dont let your flight lead or some aops get off the hook by giving you an off the cuff answer.
gdd05
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@ robav8r...It's cool man. I understand.
It took a while but I think we got some good answers here. I understand that it is difficult to get leave during Primary. It ought to be. We are there to train not to screw around. I just wanted to know if the schedule would be light around that time, and it seems like in the past that it was. Hey, but if I fly on the 4th that would be great, too. I don't care. I know it's way too early to plan exactly what the squadron will be doing 4 months from now, but if my family wants to get a good deal on a airline ticket now is the time to be looking.
I am about to threadjack my own thread, but what is a typical week for a stud in Primary?
It took a while but I think we got some good answers here. I understand that it is difficult to get leave during Primary. It ought to be. We are there to train not to screw around. I just wanted to know if the schedule would be light around that time, and it seems like in the past that it was. Hey, but if I fly on the 4th that would be great, too. I don't care. I know it's way too early to plan exactly what the squadron will be doing 4 months from now, but if my family wants to get a good deal on a airline ticket now is the time to be looking.
I am about to threadjack my own thread, but what is a typical week for a stud in Primary?
The possibilities are endless!!! You will have weeks where you are flying everyday...for five or six days straight with a couple double pumped days in there. You won't know which way is up and you're in a great groove with your flying and studying. Sometimes during these weeks you will have an early afternoon brief every day and then scheds will get you with a 0600 brief in the middle just to throw your routine off.
Then you'll have the weeks where you fly two or three times with a duty thrown in there and you have more time on your hands than you know what to do with.
As far as leave goes in Primary, not that hard to get approved as long as it's a federal holiday and you're not scheduled for a cross-country or what not. I only had a tough time getting leave approved once and it was all a little lack of communication issue that got worked out. Also, I had two deaths in the family during Primary and had no trouble at all making it home for them. They'll work with you as long as you're reasonable.
Also, one more thing on leave. Do all your homework. I hadn't been scheduled for 2 weeks and Monday was a holiday. I had all my CAIs done, briefs done, and I KNEW I couldn't be on the schedule for the rest of the week. It was a Wednesday and I was on duty and got to thinking about trying to go home for the holiday on Thursday. But how could that happen since I'm in Primary and it's a fly day? So, I talked to my flight leader he said he didn't see any problem with it but I would have to hand walk my leave chit and talk directly with the OPSO about it. So, that's what I did. I went to the OPSO and he said that he can't do that. He started asking about the rest of the weeks schedule and I explained that there is no way I'll be scheduled. He said I could stand duty for him. I said that I'm on duty and it's my second time that week. Also explained how I have no problem standing duty for him if he's short on hands and needs me to. He smiled, took my leave chit, and said to drive safe and have a good weekend.
It's not that you can't get leave approved but you just have to have good SA and know what's going on.
My personal checklist when I was in Primary...
1) Fly
2) Stay Healthy
3) Fly
4) Pray for a weather day so you can get one brief ahead
5) Repeat
MasterBates
Well-Known Member
Where was Chunks hiding?
After being teased with being your sponsor before you had to go and do what you REALLY wanted to do
...I've flown 245 hrs in the last 90 days.Other than that, It's been a rough few months, but I'm lovin' it down here.
AND as for the airlift gator...It's coming...as soon as the CNO wants to send his annual "It's not exactly tailhook, but I condone NHA" message...
Missed you all.
~D
MasterBates
Well-Known Member
Yeah, I emailed you about the whole, "Don't get my patches done, I'm not coming" but you kind of dropped off the planet..
245 hours in the last 90 days... I have less than 200 hours in the last 24 months. Keep on getting Canx'd for wx here..
245 hours in the last 90 days... I have less than 200 hours in the last 24 months. Keep on getting Canx'd for wx here..