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Prepping for Primary
- Thread starter SpankenStein
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It is better. What one IP's above average could be another IP's average. CTS makes it pretty clear whether a student made a "4" or not. 5 is a kind of a grey area from IP to IP. When I went through we had IP's that were still treating MIF as if it was average and below MIF or above was their above or below average. They didn't realize they were screwing the students they flew with. If MIF is a 2 (unable/unsafe) and the student meets CTS (+- X number or feet/altitude/heading) then they should be getting a 4 (meets CTS requirements), not a 3 for an "above". It definitely makes a 3/4 easy for the IPs. 5 is a "greatly exceeds CTS" which is open to interpretation, but if you are getting 4's when MIF is low you are going to do well.
This is by and large the number one factor affecting NSS in the jet VTs right now. If everyone makes MIF, your NSS bell curve turns into an NSS spike, with lots of outliers and very few "average" students. The difference between the #1 guy in my class (58 NSS) and the #10 guy in my class (33 NSS) was .02 points.
It will not change until people like me who've had MPTS their whole career become instructors.
I can't speak for jet VT's, but I would say we probably have a larger variance in primary. CTS for basic airwork for example is +- 100 feet/10 knots/10 degrees of heading. Students with prior flight time and tons of profsits generally do a better job from day one with airwork and should get a 4 very early in fams. Those with no prior flight time and that don't come in early in the morning or late at night to do profsits could be well outside of CTS, to the point of getting a 2. By the time you have gotten to jet VTs you have already been vetted as an above average student that does those things to accel, so I can see the potential for the quality spread to be much smaller.
And the cultural grading climate is still evolving. I've flown with NFO transitions where I gave several 5's very early on in their training and was told "no one should get that many 5's on X event". If a fleet transition guy can't talk on the radio, have SA, etc. much better than some kid off the street then they have no business doing a transition. They earned those grades, whether it was the norm at that stage in training or not.
And the cultural grading climate is still evolving. I've flown with NFO transitions where I gave several 5's very early on in their training and was told "no one should get that many 5's on X event". If a fleet transition guy can't talk on the radio, have SA, etc. much better than some kid off the street then they have no business doing a transition. They earned those grades, whether it was the norm at that stage in training or not.
Not another MPTS/NSS thread!!!!!!!!!!
I'd argue it's more about people actually bothering to learn the system rather than bitching about it. There were plenty of IPs in Primary that had the old system as a stud and used MPTS correctly, but there has to be a will to change.
I'd argue it's more about people actually bothering to learn the system rather than bitching about it. There were plenty of IPs in Primary that had the old system as a stud and used MPTS correctly, but there has to be a will to change.
I may be revealing which side of the coin I was in Primary, but what is a profsit?
Back in the stone age (pre-internet),my buds and I had about 3 weeks off between AI and primary. We spent all that time on the beach followed by kissing the moose and then on to Seville Quarter to score some kills. I guess we didn't have our priorities straight.
You grab a study buddy and jump into a simulator that no one else is using. Not sure if that's just a VT-28 thing or if they do something similar in Milton. If they don't, they should.
Out of curiosity, what's the simulator situation like over in CC? If you camp the sim building here, you might be able to squeak in 10 or 20 minutes if an instructor gets out early before the next instructor, but it's pretty tricky getting sim time aside from the signup sheet. That, or hope somebody doesn't show up to one of their ambitious Friday-night signups
Can you commonly hop into a sim with somebody over there?
Oh yeah, no sweat here. There's eight T-34 sims total, so unless you have a big RI class getting pushed through, there's usually at least one or two sims open at any given time. You can only sign up for one profsit a day, but you can grab one if it's free and no one else signed up for it, so some people do several profsits in a row, especially when prepping for RI's.Out of curiosity, what's the simulator situation like over in CC? If you camp the sim building here, you might be able to squeak in 10 or 20 minutes if an instructor gets out early before the next instructor, but it's pretty tricky getting sim time aside from the signup sheet. That, or hope somebody doesn't show up to one of their ambitious Friday-night signups
Paraphrased conversation from my T-45 instrument check a few years ago-
IP: "so overall great flight! I'm giving you an above on 4 things, and a below on 1. So that's a net 3 above, I'll sign that instrument paperwork and get it on the skipper's desk this afternoon."
Me: "Uh, sir... I'm not sure you understand the system. If you give me a 'below' then you'll have to fail me."
IP: "What?! You're a three above kind of guy."
ME: "Thanks sir but that's not how the grading system works around here."
IP:" Whatever, you're getting three aboves and I'm signing your instrument paperwork. Questions?"
Glad to hear we haven't advanced much in 4 years.
And still kissable.
Hey man can I get that ANKI decks for lims and EPs?