Could someone tell me what's the word with the green nomex jackets. The regs just talk about the name/rank patch, but are you allowed other patches i.e. like a flight suit, (flag on one shoulder, circle patch on the other, etc.) I've seen both and also heard "They don't care in the fleet", but I want to know if I'm right or wrong. Thanks ahead for any feedback.
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Nomex Jackets
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The way the regs are written, it's tough to understand. But the best gouge is at a minimum, you have to have a standard nametag with the sage jacket. At a maximum (according to the regs, and the general standard), 4 total patches, left arm flag, right arm platform/navy related whatever, right front breast squadron or wing.
Yes, you're gonna see old guys with all kinds of crazy sh!t on them, but if you are an SNA, I would stick with either the nametag alone, or the 4 basics, 'flightsuit style'. Low profile is the key.
here's a link to the USN BUPERS uniform regs, ch.6, regarding flight clothing:
http://buperscd.technology.navy.mil/bup_updt/upd_CD/BUPERS/Unireg/chapter6.pdf
Yes, you're gonna see old guys with all kinds of crazy sh!t on them, but if you are an SNA, I would stick with either the nametag alone, or the 4 basics, 'flightsuit style'. Low profile is the key.
here's a link to the USN BUPERS uniform regs, ch.6, regarding flight clothing:
http://buperscd.technology.navy.mil/bup_updt/upd_CD/BUPERS/Unireg/chapter6.pdf
when i was in API after initial gear issue i took all my gear to get the crap sewn on, including the nomex jacket. said it came with the package so instead of it looking like crap with a piece of velcro there i put my squadron patch there. Thats what its there for..training squadron or not.
Nomex jacket is considered organizational clothing. Technically, you cannot wear it off base and can only wear it with working uniforms (i.e. flight suits or wash khakis on the ship). The leather jacket is a uniform item and can be worn with multiple uniforms and out in town. You are only allowed two patches on the leather (nametag and command).
General etiquette for the "Winnebago" (ever seen the back of an R.V.?) is old commands (VT is ok if you were an instructor), cruise patches, airwings, centurion, "top hook", etc. Different traditions also abound. For example, on the East Coast, guys tend to move their old squadron patches from the front to the back when they transfer but at Whidbey, a lot of people stack them on top of each other on the front of the jacket so just the name of the previous command shows at the bottom.
There are many ways to skin this cat just don't be the JG showing up to your fleet squadron with 6 TRACOM patches on the back of your jacket.
General etiquette for the "Winnebago" (ever seen the back of an R.V.?) is old commands (VT is ok if you were an instructor), cruise patches, airwings, centurion, "top hook", etc. Different traditions also abound. For example, on the East Coast, guys tend to move their old squadron patches from the front to the back when they transfer but at Whidbey, a lot of people stack them on top of each other on the front of the jacket so just the name of the previous command shows at the bottom.
There are many ways to skin this cat just don't be the JG showing up to your fleet squadron with 6 TRACOM patches on the back of your jacket.
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A little "Fleet Gouge"; I knew alot of senior guys (0-5, 0-6, etc.) that had like every patch ever created, in a varitable cornicopia of mutations. I only saw the occaisional LT or LCDR with some rare and therefore "pubah" patches. All the LTJG's and new LT's pretty much stuck to basics (Even aviator CO's seem to be very particular on it). We just accepted that if you had been flying jets since the "Scooter" was in vouge, had blazed through Iraq like a abt outta hell, and earned your wings before Top Gun came out...who cares
bch said:
The PR's should issue a "Douchebag" nametag with any jacket they sew up like that.
(Edit to my own post, just thought of my favorite queer jacket story)
SO THERE I WUZ...
Day 1 of T-34 ground school, and I see this dood 2 or 3 weeks ahead of me, rocking the green Nomex. This guy was sporting his squadron patch, nametag, flag and USN patch (API standard type), but all subdued, with a full color API patch. But the BEST part was how he had sewn on subdued USAF type brown O-1 bars onto his jacket. I also got to catch the show when one of the old as dirt ground school curmudgeons shredded him for being out of regs.
Don't be that guy.
(Apologies for using a "So there I was" for a T-34 ground school story, couldn't resist)
What do you mean I can't wear my API patch on my leather jacket?!?!
For me, just waiting for my typsy gypsy patches to arrive, 15 months of waiting are almost at an end.
In the end, damn, you just look so much cooler than those dorks wearing SWOters...
As for the newly minted ensigns with the API and T34 diggit patches, seen it, and was warned not to do it. Poor guys, spread the gouge, and help a hapless brother out!
Granted, being stationed in Hawaii, we didn't see these broken out too often. But a couple tours through 5th and 7th fleet through winter, saw them broken out. In many ways I think VP is off doing its own thing most of the time, with little exposure to the rest of Naval Aviation, maybe that just comes from being stuck on a Marine Corps Base, who knows. As of late, I have had the joy of being a staff puke, and it being winter season in Japan, have seen the leather jackets come out of the woodworks. From the ADM's wearing cloth name tags and squadron patches, to the JOs with the custom leather nametag, to shoulder flags, and hours patches on the shoulder. No real consistency on any of it, and of course a bunch of ppl with nothing on their jacket.SteveG75 said:
For me, just waiting for my typsy gypsy patches to arrive, 15 months of waiting are almost at an end.
In the end, damn, you just look so much cooler than those dorks wearing SWOters...
As for the newly minted ensigns with the API and T34 diggit patches, seen it, and was warned not to do it. Poor guys, spread the gouge, and help a hapless brother out!
The dude also had a TERRIBLE mustache, beat any "I'm bored on deployment, I'll grow a 'stache" I've ever seen.
Leather jacket question:
USUALLY, guys have done one of three things:
1. Having no patches or insignia other than the black 'negative' velcro rectangle for the nametag, guys have the PRs or the on-base monogram shop or whoever stamp up a standard black (or brown) leather nametag, with wings, name (as in First M. Last), then a second line with ENS or LTJG or whatever and then USN/USNR. This is removable, which is nice when you get promoted/augmented.
2. Some guys will get the shop to print up just wings and their First M. Lastname, and then sew it on.
This is fine, but I'm sure you know by now that those machine-stamped tags get really ratty and alomost illegible pretty quick. Kinda cool, kinda salty, but if you cant even read your name or see the wings...then ya buy a new one and the leather underneath gets beat to hell with all those needle pokes.
3. Get a sweet Tipsy Gipsy nametag, which is all leather, no velcro. It's a solid piece of leather with your name and wings (no rank or service) 'stamped' into it (think of a western belt, but not gay). The guy then hand paints the letters and the wings. They are AWESOME. (try a search on here for tipsy gypsy)
Personally, I just had the PR shop leather nametag velcroed on until I got my Tipsy patches. Sewing it on is just gonna beat up the jacket when you have to replace it.
Leather jacket question:
USUALLY, guys have done one of three things:
1. Having no patches or insignia other than the black 'negative' velcro rectangle for the nametag, guys have the PRs or the on-base monogram shop or whoever stamp up a standard black (or brown) leather nametag, with wings, name (as in First M. Last), then a second line with ENS or LTJG or whatever and then USN/USNR. This is removable, which is nice when you get promoted/augmented.
2. Some guys will get the shop to print up just wings and their First M. Lastname, and then sew it on.
This is fine, but I'm sure you know by now that those machine-stamped tags get really ratty and alomost illegible pretty quick. Kinda cool, kinda salty, but if you cant even read your name or see the wings...then ya buy a new one and the leather underneath gets beat to hell with all those needle pokes.
3. Get a sweet Tipsy Gipsy nametag, which is all leather, no velcro. It's a solid piece of leather with your name and wings (no rank or service) 'stamped' into it (think of a western belt, but not gay). The guy then hand paints the letters and the wings. They are AWESOME. (try a search on here for tipsy gypsy)
Personally, I just had the PR shop leather nametag velcroed on until I got my Tipsy patches. Sewing it on is just gonna beat up the jacket when you have to replace it.
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