NFA: SEXY gun stuff -- cans, SBRs, AOWs

[gaijin6423]

I'm waiting for the new job to start up, then planning on going down the NFA route for a few SBR and cans. In NC, they use the county sherriff system as well, and it was causing a nightmare of problems for a friend going down the same path. So he set up a living trust, which enabled him to bypass the county and deal directly with BATFE. Minus the time lag to get his stuff engraved, it was unbelievably fast. Well, at least relatively fast anyway.

 

[Gatordev]

I'm waiting for the new job to start up, then planning on going down the NFA route for a few SBR and cans. In NC, they use the county sherriff system as well, and it was causing a nightmare of problems for a friend going down the same path. So he set up a living trust, which enabled him to bypass the county and deal directly with BATFE. Minus the time lag to get his stuff engraved, it was unbelievably fast. Well, at least relatively fast anyway.

I haven't searched to see if there's a thread on NFA here, but I think you need to start one when you go down that route. I know there's plenty of posts on the other gun forums, but the living trust part is where things seem a bit fuzzy and many "say" a lawyer is the way to go.

 

[gaijin6423]

My friend used a website to build the paperwork, then had a law dog/notary review it before it was notarized. He said it saved some cash, and was fairly simple. Can do on a walkthrough...once I get the process started though.

 

[Gatordev]

My friend used a website to build the paperwork, then had a law dog/notary review it before it was notarized. He said it saved some cash, and was fairly simple. Can do on a walkthrough...once I get the process started though.

There's a few (very few and may equate to an "I heard on the internet" case) instances recently where people in forums are saying a few Quicken made trusts were getting denied by the ATF AFTER the stamp had been approved and the weapon had been purchased. Again, it may be an anomaly, but does make me want to do it "right," whatever that may mean.

 

[A4sForever]

.... the living trust part is where things seem a bit fuzzy and many "say" a lawyer is the way to go.

Not to worry ... save your 'lawyer money' (many are clueless, in any case) for whatever you're buying and skip the local sheriff to boot. He/she has no need to be in the loop into what you are buying and taking home. Need to know ... right?? Loose lips sink ships, etc. ....

Go to a GOOD local gun store that is in the business of selling AOWs, NFA weapons, and suppressors on a regular basis. THEY know all the state/federal rules/regs (they HAVE to in order to stay in business and they are the regular recipients of a full body cavity paperwork drill administered by the FEDs) and they can set you up w/ a living trust pretty easily -- it's the only way to go, in my opinion.

Whenever you add anything new to your schedule 'A' ... and once 'bitten by the bug' you WILL, believe me ... they just do another set of paperwork for the FEDs, you give 'em your check for the BATFE, pay for your hardware item at the cash register ... and then you wait. When the FEDs take time off from a coffee & doughnut break long enough to do some work -- they'll cash your check, apply the tax stamp, and send the paperwork back to your dealer. He calls you ... you go into the store to pick up your item ... game over.

2 years ago the BATFE wait was @ 4-6 weeks. A year ago, it was @ 8-12 weeks. Today ... ???

You CAN buy the hardware long distance -- the dealers will do their 'magic' between then (might cost more $$$ for paperwork) and you'll still go through your 'local' guy for the final paperwork and final transaction. LIke I said, find a GOOD local brick & mortar retail store to work with ... it saves time, $$$$, paperwork miscues, and hassles.

I don't like to 'wing it' on stuff like this; but I think the above covers most of the high points for the living trust approach.

 

[gaijin6423]

Part of the problem with the sherriff my pal has to live the the jurisdiction of is that he feels the need to know. So much so that a nameless deputy let it slip that said sherriff was keeping files on locals, to the tune of advanced marksmanship training, special ops experience, combat tours and length, etc. Just to 'tailor' any kind of potential response. Does mr. Podunk sherriff need to know that I shot expert on the range, and that I have X number of rifles? I don't think so.

Anyway, I think you're absolutely right about going to a GOOD shop that deals frequently in the stuff. That's precisely where my friend got his info from, actually. Of course said shop is about an hour and a half away (2 for him), so it's kind of a pain to make regular trips. But they know their shit, are good people, and have a huge inventory of all things firearm. So there's my plug for WT's Guns in Goldsboro, NC.

 

[ryan1234]

Part of the problem with the sherriff my pal has to live the the jurisdiction of is that he feels the need to know. So much so that a nameless deputy let it slip that said sherriff was keeping files on locals, to the tune of advanced marksmanship training, special ops experience, combat tours and length, etc. Just to 'tailor' any kind of potential response. Does mr. Podunk sherriff need to know that I shot expert on the range, and that I have X number of rifles? I don't think so.

I was having a conversation with a deputy in FL - their agency's biggest concern was deranged vets going postal on the town's people. So they did exactly what you said and "tailored" their "response" by keeping tabs. The sad part about it was that a few deputies were vets themselves.

Maybe their 'training' consisted of watching Rambo.

 

[A4sForever]

....Anyway, I think you're absolutely right about going to a GOOD shop that deals frequently in the stuff. That's precisely where my friend got his info from, actually. Of course said shop is about an hour and a half away (2 for him), so it's kind of a pain to make regular trips. But they know their shit, are good people, and have a huge inventory of all things firearm. So there's my plug for WT's Guns in Goldsboro, NC.

I feel your pain ... my 'GOOD store' is in the Latte-lappin' east side of the Greater Seattle area ... which used to be a bed-rock Republican district ... but now ... ??? If you hear English spoken on the street ... it's a rarity ... thanks, Bill Gates for all your 'imports'. :icon_wink As far as 'my guy' in HNL -- :icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol: -- hey, it's da' Territory; forget it.

Anyway ... the store is 2+ hours away depending on traffic. But I can usually 'bribe' Trophy Wife ® over lunch or dinner to smooth out the cost of the hardware purchases (actually, she's an NRA certified Rifle/Pistol instructor, so it's no problem-O). They also have a good 'smith, which helps if there's any bbl threading, adapters, or fine tuning to be done ... I suppose the store is not technically 'local', but it works for me.

>>>> ONE THING I FORGOT TO MENTION: KEEP A SEPARATE COPY OF YOUR RESPECTIVE FORM 4 WITH THE ITEM (WHATEVER IT IS ... ) for when you are out & about, at the range, or in the field w/ it. I just made an extra copy for each Schedule A item and keep the (copy) tax-stamp paper + hardware together -- permanently. You never know when you'll have to 'prove it' to be legally owned to satisfy some overzealous LEO (see your first paragraph for confirmation of this). It doesn't happen much, but when it does -- be forearmed and YOU'RE in charge -- not Barney Fife.

Details, details: I just got a small-ish 3 ring binder ... I've got it arranged w/ my Living Trust, Schedule A, Form 4's (and copies), and all receipts in plastic sleeves. I keep the originals in a safe. It keeps you organized & 'orderly' and makes life simple when you buy item #2 ... item #3 ... #4 ... I think you get the picture.

 

[Gatordev]

Moved the NFA stuff over here so not to distract from another perfectly good gun thread...

Sounds like a plan regarding the trust and a good gun shop. It's actually good to hear from someone like A4's (and Gaijin's friend) that the lawyer isn't as critical as it sounds on M4c.net et al.

 

[feddoc]

You can get good gouge here: www.subguns.com on NFA issues. They even have a list of recommended dealers. Good guys.

 

[feddoc]

I was having a conversation with a deputy in FL - their agency's biggest concern was deranged vets going postal on the town's people. So they did exactly what you said and "tailored" their "response" by keeping tabs. The sad part about it was that a few deputies were vets themselves.

Maybe their 'training' consisted of watching Rambo.

Interesting. Take a google on NFA violent crimes. As I recall, the last two involved LEOs. Hmmmm.

 

[feddoc]

I'll try to find the others after dinner. You can hear a video of this in action on the link above. Tom Bowers is a stand up guy; he owns subguns.com.

 

[ryan1234]

I'll try to find the others after dinner. You can hear a video of this in action on the link above. Tom Bowers is a stand up guy; he owns subguns.com.

That's a great looking set - Is that a Tac or did you get the barrel seperate?

I have the USP .45 Compact - it's absolutely great, but sometimes I wish I had the full size. Also it doesn't have the threaded barrel (figured non-thread would be better for carry) - But wouldn't mind getting an aftermarket threaded barrel for it, for a 'future purchase'

 

[feddoc]

Nope, barrel already threaded. Gun was a Christmas gift. The can was a birthday gift.