The agriculture industry can't run without undocumented workers as the immigration system exists today. *shrug*
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NCR Parade Rumint
- Thread starter Max Q
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Should be a blast!
@Flash shocking, shocking I say. Why would you have anything other to say . . . . 🤣 Allen Dulles would be so proud . . . . .
My family owned Yuma Overhead Door company for decades before we sold it to the guy who managed it for us. It's staying in his family now.
We depended on migrant labor. A few of our employees ended up staying and becoming citizens. No gringos want to work in a hot garage in July in Yuma.
The entire Agricultural industry in southern California and Arizona is the same. I think we should expand the programs. They pay their income taxes, they get OSHA benefits and workers comp if they get hurt. I don't care where the rest of the money goes, it's their money.
I'd be all for them organizing and unionizing, but then it would be cartel slave labor and I'm not a fan of that.
The ODS parade probably had near 200,000 in attendance. My hipshot guess is that this parade was closer to 100,000.
Most Americans have no problem with legal immigration or guest worker programs. Anyone who is supportive of the status quo cannot be said to be a friend of immigrants. It reduces them to a black market labor pool which guarantees below market labor rates, and like other participants in black markets, such as narcotics, they are crime victims at a higher rate than others, and are fearful to seek out law enforcement when they are preyed upon, often by the very people that purport to support their interests. It is beyond comprehension that Everify is not federally mandatory. It's not perfect but it works very well. It Is required in my state and I have used it on many new hires. It's painless in practice for employers and easy to comply with by employees, IF they have the documents. Personally, I support concentrated enforcement on employers who hire undocumented labor. The notion that no white guy will pick kale or avocados or mow a lawn is BS. Paid a market rate they will do the job. If the cost is passed on to consumers so be it. Its the cost of a measure of human dignity, immigrant safety, honorable employment for legal labor and the rule of law.
Can't be compared. Different point in our history, different reason, and most important, different President.
I think we're saying the same thing?
Except, we never had many white people apply to work for us in Yuma, and if we hired them they didn't stay long. It's Yuma. The white people are retired snowbirds who come down during the winter to stay in their "over 55 and American only" (read- no brown people allowed) RV park and get cheap prescriptions and dental work done across the border. Or they're the Marines and their families.
Yes, it will be in Philly in October. A “parade” of ships, Blues flights, a Navy v Temple football game and a parade.
Homecoming 250 - Navy & Marine Corps Anniversary
Celebrating the Services who secured 250 years of independence.
www.homecoming250.org
@mad dog - this looks like an excellent motorcycle trip opportunity!Yes, it will be in Philly in October. A “parade” of ships, Blues flights, a Navy v Temple football game and a parade.
Homecoming 250 - Navy & Marine Corps Anniversary
Celebrating the Services who secured 250 years of independence.www.homecoming250.org
I’m heading down for a day or two.
Is it though?
Me too, but this is probably never going to happen. The system is designed to work this way, because:
Farmers don't want to pay market rate, because a white guy will demand much more than the federal or CA state minimum wage to pick strawberries in the sun -- which means higher prices and lower profits (if any at all).
Ain't capitalism great?
The US probably needs a combination of:
- more legal work visas for temp foreign workers, with a clear pathway to citizenship after X years but also strong incentives to adhere to visa stipulations
- higher US minimum wage and greater protections of workers from layoffs, underpayment, benefits withholding, workplace spyware, or other shady employment practices
- stronger enforcement of employers to follow the rules
- harsher penalties for industrial/scientific espionage and agroterrorism
- total revamp of the US public high school and college systems, with far less federal funding for 4 year colleges and far more federal funding for vocational/ technical/ ag schools
- stricter laws against foreign investment in US agriculture
- prohibition on crop chemicals, ag methods, and food additives commonly banned in EU/CAN
- reduced or eliminated federal subsidies for corn/soy, monocropping, and feedlots, and that funding instead applied toward more organic, grassfed, regenerative farming methods and outcomes
- total relook and rethink at how the US does Social Security (including disability) and certain other benefits for noncitizens, as the system was never designed or intended for this
- a total relook at the tax system and probably a flat tax for earners making under X per year
- more legal work visas for temp foreign workers, with a clear pathway to citizenship after X years but also strong incentives to adhere to visa stipulations
- higher US minimum wage and greater protections of workers from layoffs, underpayment, benefits withholding, workplace spyware, or other shady employment practices
- stronger enforcement of employers to follow the rules
- harsher penalties for industrial/scientific espionage and agroterrorism
- total revamp of the US public high school and college systems, with far less federal funding for 4 year colleges and far more federal funding for vocational/ technical/ ag schools
- stricter laws against foreign investment in US agriculture
- prohibition on crop chemicals, ag methods, and food additives commonly banned in EU/CAN
- reduced or eliminated federal subsidies for corn/soy, monocropping, and feedlots, and that funding instead applied toward more organic, grassfed, regenerative farming methods and outcomes
- total relook and rethink at how the US does Social Security (including disability) and certain other benefits for noncitizens, as the system was never designed or intended for this
- a total relook at the tax system and probably a flat tax for earners making under X per year
How much of a decrease in crop yields do you want and how high do you want to raise the price of beef, pork and chicken?