Navy Dedicated SAR Squadrons

[Hair Warrior]

Semantics perhaps, but overwater rescue would be more PR and less CSAR?

Fullbore Friday

the overlooked sacrifice at Midway

cdrsalamander.substack.com

I’m not always the biggest fan of CDR S, but this post (the final few paragraphs anyway) seems relevant.

 

[Randy Daytona]

Maybe to deliver supplies, or again, for search. I'm not sure how such a platform would safely recover the survivor. Happy to be shown my near-sightedness.

Maybe use something like this as a starting point to see what could be developed? For the Pacific especially, I can’t think of anything that could combine the range, speed, amphibious capability and comparatively low cost as a wing in ground effect vehicle to rescue crews.

ST Engineering Breathes New Life Into Wing-In-Ground Effect Craft | Aviation Week Network

The company hopes to unleash untapped benefits of the aircraft for commercial and military use.

aviationweek.com

 

[hscs]

I always wondered about sea state takeoff and landing limits. There must be some sort of swell size and period limit. Many times you don’t realize how bad the swell is until you are close. ‘Maybe we should not have opted for the 10-10…..’

 

[sevenhelmet]

I always wondered about sea state takeoff and landing limits. There must be some sort of swell size and period limit. Many times you don’t realize how bad the swell is until you are close. ‘Maybe we should not have opted for the 10-10…..’

I wonder about cruising limits too. I think there are good reasons we don't use IGE vehicles much- you're basically an airplane that is restricted to maneuvers in heading only. Even slowing down can be dangerous, depending on sea-state. Add in traffic, and you've got the perfect recipe for a mishap with no escape route.

Have been hearing chatter about these for a couple of years now, including occasional asks for contract work amongst my professional circle. However, I don't believe the payoff is there for this kind of a vehicle. By the time you get through the complications, you might as well be using a C-17, or a conventional surface ship. The closest thing I can come up with that might be practicable is a hydrofoil, but again- it's a niche market, and there are reasons we don't use those for large/long range applications.

 

[Griz882]

Apparently the Chinese have figured something out. My guess, if we decided to do something like this (rescue aviators and all) it would take us 10 or more years to get one through initial testing and another 10 to build and field 40 or 50 models.

 

[sevenhelmet]

Apparently the Chinese have figured something out. My guess, if we decided to do something like this (rescue aviators and all) it would take us 10 or more years to get one through initial testing and another 10 to build and field 40 or 50 models.

I am sure the Chinese would like us to think they have worked something out. I wish them the best of luck, but color me skeptical until they field it. That is, unless they wait for us to develop it first and then steal the IP, which is their usual modus operandi.

In the latter, more likely case, we'll have wasted our time and effort developing something expensively with a very limited application. That's misuse of resources our enemies can get behind. We should be careful.

 

[Griz882]

I am sure the Chinese would like us to think they have worked something out. I wish them the best of luck, but color me skeptical until they field it. That is, unless they wait for us to develop it first and then steal the IP, which is their usual modus operandi.

In the latter, more likely case, we'll have wasted our time and effort developing something expensively with a very limited application. That's misuse of resources our enemies can get behind. We should be careful.

Sorry, I went full dimwit and failed to post the link.

Kunlong: China approves worldâs biggest amphibious plane for mass production

AG600 Kunlong was developed as part of drive to modernise Chinese military

www.independent.co.uk

And yes, it is clearly derivative of another well-known design - just mo bigger.

 

[skybert]

Apparently the Chinese have figured something out. My guess, if we decided to do something like this (rescue aviators and all) it would take us 10 or more years to get one through initial testing and another 10 to build and field 40 or 50 models.

You’re an optomist

 

[hscs]

I wonder about cruising limits too. I think there are good reasons we don't use IGE vehicles much- you're basically an airplane that is restricted to maneuvers in heading only. Even slowing down can be dangerous, depending on sea-state. Add in traffic, and you've got the perfect recipe for a mishap with no escape route.

Have been hearing chatter about these for a couple of years now, including occasional asks for contract work amongst my professional circle. However, I don't believe the payoff is there for this kind of a vehicle. By the time you get through the complications, you might as well be using a C-17, or a conventional surface ship. The closest thing I can come up with that might be practicable is a hydrofoil, but again- it's a niche market, and there are reasons we don't use those for large/long range applications.

Plus who governs traffic- ICAO or COLREGS.

Hydrofoils are great for flatter water. Other hull forms will get you there quicker in the higher sea states.