Interesting. Of course I always personally found it weird both as a pilot and a FO to fly without gloves, but that was just me. I bet in 10 more years, Air Bosses etc. will be using the 5MC to leap up LTJG Snuffy's ass about it again.
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MIG-23 Ejection/Crash this past weekend . . . .
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I think gloves in a non ejection seat aircraft are worthless - and some of these Naval Aviation norms are just silly - "in the name of SAFETY", "do it for the CHILDREN!"
I was always under the impression that 3710 had an exception for "over water ops" - the thinking at the time that bare hands aided in egress after ditching. That has clearly changed:
What do F-35 dudes/dudettes do wrt touch screens?
I humbly disagree. The OIC of our 4 helo det in Iraq was in a bad mishap, that I witnessed as dash-2.
He often didn't wear gloves. He, his copilot, and 1 crew chief were able to egress the post-crash fire.
The only significant injuries he suffered were very bad burns to his hands.
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Well, there's the more mundane day-to-day problem that there's just so much random nasty shit you can jab/bash your hands on in the corners and recesses of the cockpit, or at least there was in a Prowler. Edges of things here, random safety wires there that didn't quite get trimmed short enough . . . preflight, too.
One of my Sailors ended up having to on some pretty hefty antibiotics, and the docs were happy they caught it when they did, after she got infected with some damn pestilence by getting jabbed with a safety wire.
Did you wear your O2 mask at all times from engine start to shutdown?
I kept the gloves in my g-suit ankle pockets, then put them on while I was walking the flight deck. Immediately removed them and put them back in pockets once I was in the cockpit. Aint nobody gonna make me wear them in the jet. Never had an AB yell about that, but I did hear people getting yelled at many times who didn't have the common decency to pretend while out in the open of the flight deck
There are touch screens in Rhino/Growler. They operate off of an IR grid so they work with gloves. The new LAD going into Rhino/Growler also work with gloves.
Most people I know wear these, which is a nice compromise between protection and dexterity:
Is this a rule only on the ship? On a land flightline, are you supposed to have your gloves on when walking to the jet?
I tried those Wiley X gloves above, and couldn't get a good fit at all.
This... While it is generally a smart practice, I would never make someone wear gloves in the cockpit. People understand the risks and can make their own decisions.I kept the gloves in my g-suit ankle pockets, then put them on while I was walking the flight deck. Immediately removed them and put them back in pockets once I was in the cockpit. Aint nobody gonna make me wear them in the jet. Never had an AB yell about that, but I did hear people getting yelled at many times who didn't have the common decency to pretend while out in the open of the flight deck
Haha fair enough. I have definitely left blood in the cockpit a time or two before.
The formal rule used to be (at least in my old air wing 10 years ago) the opposite. That things were more lax ashore but that afloat, you wore the damn PPE at least where higher could see. @Gonzo08 and I cruised together as JOs, hence his remark about how things are looser now.
I think you could probably walk to the jet without your helmet on. Nobody does this, and the PC would look at you like my8 yr old looks at me when I crop dust him, but it would be fine. I actually want to see someone get into the airplane and motion for the PC to help them with their helmet like AF dudes. I have never walked on a jet with gloves on, ashore, to Huggy's question.
You guys and your safety with gloves. Wait till I tell you about Air Force maintenance climbing on jets and not wearing cranials…
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Or a mech using a ladder to pull some quick maintenance during a turn around. I swear I checked to see if QA was looking first.