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Marines And Navy Differences

White_Male

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Here is my situation. I know that I want to be in either the Navy or the Marines. I know that I want to fly. I already have a degree, so I will hopefully be going to OCS in one or the other.

Would some of you expound on the differences as you see them? [edit]Also, if you can think of any that you think I should consider please share.[/edit]

I have talked with a former Navy A4 pilot, and he recommended the Navy. Some of the reasons he gave were the following:

1. You will get better accommodations
2. You won't be out in the jungle when you come back for the day
3. You will be on a ship
4. There are some weeks that jets aren't available for the Marines
5. Every Marine pilot has to be a FAC sometime in their career
6. You can basically pick your poison, some Marines pilots got killed in a tent and some Navy pilots got killed landing at night.
7. There is nothing like being a 1/2 mile behind the ship coming in for landing.

I talked to a former Marine F-14 (I think that is what he said) pilot and he recommended the Marines. He had some of the following points.

1. In the Navy you pretty much just take orders in the Marines they allow you to make the decisions.
2. The Marines won't abandon you, the Navy might.

Thank you all for you help. I did a few searches, and I am either incompetent in the search function or there wasn't much about this out there.
 

invertedflyer

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1. You will get better accommodations
2. You won't be out in the jungle when you come back for the day
3. You will be on a ship
4. There are some weeks that jets aren't available for the Marines
5. Every Marine pilot has to be a FAC sometime in their career
6. You can basically pick your poison, some Marines pilots got killed in a tent and some Navy pilots got killed landing at night.
7. There is nothing like being a 1/2 mile behind the ship coming in for landing.


If you want to have poor accomodations, live in the jungle, have a good chance at a FAC tour, and die in a tent... then join the Marines. -- Its a different world.

Marines don't fly the F-14 (neither do the Navy as it is retired)... he must have meant F/A-18s. But he was correct in that your fellow Marines won't abandon you... where he was incorrect was that neither will fellow shipmates. ;)
 

skidkid

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First off this has been discussed ad nasuem but since I am bored I will take a stab at it.

1. Yes, no, maybe. Some Navy types go nowhere near a boat (P-3 types) and live well, others live on a boat and life sucks. Marines run the gamut, sometimes you live on a boat, others you are in a Q room at a forward base and others you are in a tent, can (think trailor in Iraq) and others you might be sleeping in or under your bird in a FARP.

2. We arent doing much jungle work these days, most pilots arent living out in the field but it isnt that bad if you are.

3. I have more time on a boat than most P-3 guys.

4. There are some weeks that there are no Navy jet slots, want jets go Air Force and live in a hotel. In my biased opinion the Marine Helo missions are more fun than Navy missions.

5.No, not every Marine pilot becomes a FAC, having been a FAC it is honestly the most fun and rewarding tour I had, if I could fly once or twice a week I would still be there.

6. You rarely get to pick your poison, go where they send you and accomplish your mission.

7. Marines land on the boat too.

Marines never flew F-14s, F-4 maybe

1A. not even dignifying this one with a response, both hold true for both services
 

Gatordev

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Also be aware that no matter which service you choose, "going to the boat" as the fighter guys describe it is not guaranteed. In both the Navy and Marines, Helos make up a majority (read: greater 50%) of the available platforms. Doesn't mean you won't get jets, but just go in knowing it's a definite possibility.
 

skidkid

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Forward Air Controller, you do about a year with an infantry battalion planning for and controlling air strikes in support of the ground forces. This helps integrate the air and ground sides of the house. Not every Marine NA or NFO does one but it is open to all those who are male (ground combat arms restriction). Some volunteer for them, others are voluntold but very few come away from them with anyhting but good things to say about the experience.
 

HueyCobra8151

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Good God man,

Are you seriously prepared to make such a life altering decision based on a few cookie cutter stereotypes from a diverse sampling of two people (The Naval Officer said join the Navy, the Marine said join the Marines, didn't see that coming).

1. You will get better accommodations

You will probably get better accommodations in general on a Naval installation, but is that a good reason to choose a branch of service?

Also, some would prefer to be on dry land vice cooped up in a cramped boat.
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2. You won't be out in the jungle when you come back for the day

If you are Marine fixed wing you will most likely either return to the ship or to a relatively improved air strip. (Harriers not so much)

4. There are some weeks that jets aren't available for the Marines

4. There are some weeks that [insert platform here] aren't available for [Naval Officers/Marines/Air Force Officers]

5. Every Marine pilot has to be a FAC sometime in their career

Untrue, there are a LOT of nonflying billets, research this topic on Airwarriors.

The two "Marine talking points" you posted are ridiculous. Officers give and take orders regardless of branch of service. [Edit: Actually, almost all the points you posted are ridiculous. Seriously, do some research on AW]

Why don't you do a little research on this website and learn more about the two branches of service, along with the flying communities within them.

Ultimately it should come down to what you want to do, not some random stereotypes about the two services.

[Edit: Took to long to post, looks like multiple people beat me to it]
 

Cordespc

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Here is my situation. I know that I want to be in either the Navy or the Marines. I know that I want to fly. I already have a degree, so I will hopefully be going to OCS in one or the other.

Would some of you expound on the differences as you see them? [edit]Also, if you can think of any that you think I should consider please share.[/edit]

I have talked with a former Navy A4 pilot, and he recommended the Navy. Some of the reasons he gave were the following:

1. You will get better accommodations
2. You won't be out in the jungle when you come back for the day
3. You will be on a ship
4. There are some weeks that jets aren't available for the Marines
5. Every Marine pilot has to be a FAC sometime in their career
6. You can basically pick your poison, some Marines pilots got killed in a tent and some Navy pilots got killed landing at night.
7. There is nothing like being a 1/2 mile behind the ship coming in for landing.

8. In the Navy, you'll get to work with these guys:D
 

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SuperFly

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I don't know what it is like to be a marine on the ship, but here's a good idea of what a typical jo's day is like in a fighter squadron aboard the ship (shipping out again in 5 days, ugh):

0400 - Awakened to sound of power buffers banging against your stateroom bulkhead. Again.
0515 - Awakened to the 1 -MC, for "Sweepers, Sweepers man you brooms." How do you “trise” out anyway?
0600 – Alarm clock goes off. AM/PM switch strikes again. Reset alarm for 0900.
0730 - Sleep through breakfast. Most aviators don't even know that the ship serves breakfast.
0800 - Reset alarm when alarm accidentally goes off prior to 0900.
0900 - Begin hitting snooze every 9 minutes until roommates complain.
0930 - Stagger into shower. Forget soap. Go back and get it. Realize you left your key in your flight suit again. Pound on door until sleepy roommates wake up to let you in. Return to shower. That SWO who doesn’t wear shower shoes gets your “favorite shower” again. Forget Shampoo. Use soap to wash your hair instead.
1000 - Walk into Ready 8 to see if anybody wants to go to “lunch.” Receive annoyed looks by Hinges who have been there since 0730.
1030 – “Lunch” in Dirty Shirt.
1045 - Lunch is over. The day officially begins.
1100 - Back to stateroom for a quick re-rack.
1300 - Get up and walk to the ready room for the 1300 AOM. Drink coffee with the other JOs until the skipper shows up.
1345 - SDO wakes skipper to remind him that the meeting was supposed to start at 1300.
1346 - Skipper fumbles in. 1300 meeting begins.
1346-1530 - Some hinge head drones on and on about some pet project of his. Amuse yourself trying to tie a noose out of your shoelace. In actuality, you just volunteered for first Boat O in port.
1525 - The Lieutenant Commander is finally cut off by the senior JO so that the flight crews can use the ready room to brief.
1526 - Begin flight planning. Realize you do not have time to be thorough. Decide that your key phrase in the brief will be to "remain flexible." Ask the junior pilot to cover the questions of the day and EPs "because it is good training" for him.
1530 - Brief your crew/flight on what is expected of them. Remind them repeatedly that in today's rapidly changing environment, it is important to "remain flexible." Act like you know what you are doing.
1600 - Finish brief. Walk down to CVIC to find out all the information you should have just briefed your crew on.
1615 - Go to Maintenance Control to read the ADB to find out what other pilots have found wrong with your plane. Note that the record for wet starts currently is seven in a row. Chief reminds you that you will have to set the alert after you land.
1630 - Preflight and start aircraft. Listen to the Air Boss scream on tower frequency at some other pilot whose fly-by was a little too “aggressive.” Make mental note of precise parameters he used for future reference.
1715 - Taxi to the cat. Actually slide 6 feet sideways on the worn spot inboard of Cat 3 void of non-skid. Yellow shirt skillfully directs you over the only three fixtures on the deck capable of cutting a main mount tire. Somehow end up in the shuttle anyway. Realize then that you should have used the head after drinking all that coffee in the AOM.
1730 - Pinky cat shot. Pressurized steam generated by “Shoes” accelerates you from 0 to 160 mph in 0.8 seconds in a 30 million dollar Fighter. The same force would launch a VW Beetle straight up 6 miles, but your only concern is that you didn't show the Boss enough spoilers in the clearing turn to really spool him up like last time. Missed opportunity. Note for next launch.
1730-1830 - Perform a one-hour self-escort mission flawlessly. All bandits die firey deaths and all bombs on target on time. CAP in position; Comm: flawless. Everybody has plenty of fuel, except for the Charlies. Life for one hour travels freely above the speed of sound. Cruise doesn't exist.
1830 - Enter the "Marshall Stack" to await your turn at a “currency” night trap. Some idiot moves his helmet bag in the cockpit and salvoes 24 flares. Fourteen SAM-breaks, including your own.
1847 - Your push time. Push exactly on time, on your DME, at 250 knots.
Simultaneously, Marshal issues a "99, delta 4" call.
1851 - Your new push time. Screw up timing, call pushing 2 DME prior at 502 knots, 30 degrees off course, hoping no one else sees you in Zone 5 at 68 degrees sweep.
1855 - Check in on CCA A. Hear two “pitching deck”, three “power”, and one “easy with it” call in first 15 seconds. Perform three 4G “vertigo inducing” S-turns at 400 kts trying to bleed off extra smack and not eat up interval, clearly visible even in the pitch darkness of night. Graciously, your interval gets a foul-deck waveoff for screwing up his own interval.
1858 - “Trick-or-treat” on the ball but don’t seem to mention it to paddles. Fly a "rails pass", but set the hook a little early and catch an OK two on the fly. Nugget S-3 LSO instead gives you a fair for settle at the ramp, and CAG LSO is too busy telling a sea story to see the discrepancy and correct the call.
1901 - Taxi onto your “shutdown spot.” Then taxi to your real shutdown spot 15 min later after the plane guard. Call the aircraft down for a minor malfunction to avoid having to set the alert. Mission is over. Forget piss-bag in map case again. Oh well. Someone will get it.
1930- Complete whirlwind debrief just in time to sgweet ("let's go eat") before the roll'em. Paddles walks in and takes 15 minutes debriefing your wingman as you nervously eye your overly-expensive watch.
1935 - Debrief with the LSO on the outstanding pass you just flew. Use both hands to simulate your approach. Lots of discussion, but you get a fair anyway. Decide that all LSOs are idiots, even though you are one yourself and this is your team.
1950 - Dinner complete, stop by the mini-mart for a bag of microwave popcorn. “Secured” for cleaning again. Proceed to the back of the ready-room, where 12 others aviators are already in line with their own bags. Roll'em has been on 18 minutes, but it's "Blues Brothers" again, so you don't mind. Laugh out loud at the line about the “new Oldsmobiles being in early this year.”
2000 - The skipper arrives, and complains about starting the movie over. Everyone ignores him. Every two minutes the sound is blanked out by the crashing of fearless aviators who can’t fly the ball as well as you hitting the deck seven feet over your head.
2115 - The movie is over. Sign three training forms with the day before yesterday's date. Hide them under the stack of a Lieutenant Commander’s inbox so it looks like he ignored it until it was overdue.
2130 - JOs debate the merits of sleeping or waiting until the Dirty Shirt opens again for midrats. Hunger wins out over fatigue, and you wait up another hour writing letters in the ready room.
2230 - Everybody still awake goes to mid-rats for Barney Clarks, za (pizza), and auto-dog. Ship's company guys eat fruit and bran cereal. You think they are losers.
2310 - Head to the rack for some much-needed sleep.
2350 - Fall asleep to the sound of your roommate again telling you all about the trials and tribulations he is having with his girlfriend back home. You stopped caring three months ago.
2400-0400 - Dream about your next port of call and the passes you never flew.
Repeat cycle 180 times until end of cruise. Oh, by the way, you volunteered for this.
 

Gatordev

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I remember reading that back when I was a mid. Sounded pretty darn good. However, seems like it's a bit different in a Post 9/11 world. Maybe not so "free and easy." Tacair guys, agree, disagree?
 

Flash

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Marines never flew F-14s, F-4 maybe

There were a small handful of pilots that flew the F-14 when the Marines thought they were going to buy some in the mid 70's, but the Marines never owned any. Just thought I would be contrary.......:D
 
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