-
Please take a moment and update your account profile. If you have an updated account profile with basic information on why you are on Air Warriors it will help other people respond to your posts. How do you update your profile you ask?
Go here:
Edit Account Details and Profile
Low Harrier
- Thread starter HAL Pilot
- Start date
Honestly, it's hard to justify being that low for tactical reasons. For a number of reasons, we tend to go high these days in an operational sense, but it's still a good skill set to maintain. They probably do it because it's fun, plus they haven't hit any Italian gondolas yet.eddie said:
Brett
The Brits and low level flying
It's a cold war legacy that traces its roots to a combination of crappy weather over Europe and instense threat of sophisticated IADS. US did similar response over Viet Nam...when IADS got too threatening, tactics shifted to low level. When black box and other SEAD technology was developed to allow tactics to back to medium and high level altitudes and the operating environment changed. Many units went into Desert Storm with low level tactics while others went high. Brit Tornadoes and a few A-6 Intruders paid a price for going in low...F-15Es picked and chose where they went low and faired a bit better.
That said, many of our operating procedures in CONUS are driven by safety concerns...when "balloon goes up" (or is about to), some of those constraints are relaxed to take on more risk to be able to train effectively. In Desert Shield, we were "authorized" to train in more or less unfettered fashion. Our low levels were very low and we maneuvered in ACM below 10,000 feet to see what Tomcat could do (it actually performs even better below 10K due to efficient inlet design).
Brett327 said:Honestly, it's hard to justify being that low for tactical reasons. For a number of reasons, we tend to go high these days in an operational sense, but it's still a good skill set to maintain. They probably do it because it's fun, plus they haven't hit any Italian gondolas yet.
Brett
It's a cold war legacy that traces its roots to a combination of crappy weather over Europe and instense threat of sophisticated IADS. US did similar response over Viet Nam...when IADS got too threatening, tactics shifted to low level. When black box and other SEAD technology was developed to allow tactics to back to medium and high level altitudes and the operating environment changed. Many units went into Desert Storm with low level tactics while others went high. Brit Tornadoes and a few A-6 Intruders paid a price for going in low...F-15Es picked and chose where they went low and faired a bit better.
That said, many of our operating procedures in CONUS are driven by safety concerns...when "balloon goes up" (or is about to), some of those constraints are relaxed to take on more risk to be able to train effectively. In Desert Shield, we were "authorized" to train in more or less unfettered fashion. Our low levels were very low and we maneuvered in ACM below 10,000 feet to see what Tomcat could do (it actually performs even better below 10K due to efficient inlet design).
Here's a link to a picture of another very low British jet....
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?...FP&photo_nr=2&prev_id=0943628&next_id=0772338
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?...FP&photo_nr=2&prev_id=0943628&next_id=0772338
heyjoe said:
Is there any video of that? I would love to see it. I didn't even know that a hunter or jaguar could fit under the wings of a C-130.
Pilot In Command: "Whoa, what the hell was that!?!?!?"
Co-pilot: "I dunno, but I think I'm gonna need a new flightsuit."
Engineer: "What's that smell?"
I think flying under the wing of a C130 is a fish tale, though. Even if you got under the wing, the prop would still get you.
What4ever (sic) it is/was/were/will be ... it's a stunt. Has no tactical application what4soever (sic) ...phrogdriver said:
NavyLonghorn
Registered User
Apparently this is a European thing. Look how low the third guy in this Jaguar flyby gets.
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2-16-06_lowflying.wmv
Another LOWWW Jaguar pass:
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/low.wmv
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2-16-06_lowflying.wmv
Another LOWWW Jaguar pass:
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/low.wmv