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Looks Like Navy May truly be a no go.

cgoetz

Member
Hi I posted on here sporadically through out the last few years. Been trying to get in the Navy for like the past four years. However it looks like I finally come to the end of my rope. You see I have had issues with depression in the past. I went to MEPs already and was disqualified. That was three years ago. I went to a recruiter and they pretty much told me that I would be flat out disqualified. They offerred me two options. One I could go back to a new psychiatrist and get revaluted by him her. Then I would take his report and submit it along with my past records to what they call "Big Navy" (a bigger medical place I guess). Of course that would have to be submitted along with my first denial from MEPS. The hope is that by doing this I get somebody reviewing my file who is totally sympathetic. So its pretty much a crap shoot. Also it could take up to a year and a half and right now I'm 25 and a half, so time is of the essence.
The second option was for me to go enlisted and then rise up through the ranks to officer. This the recruiter told me would take a while and mean doing a lot of grunt work which I don't mind. He had me talked to a newly comissioned officer who came up through the enlisted ranks and was also an elisted recruiter. I explained my case to this officer and he said sine I had been off meds for almost five years that I would have a good chance get in through this root. How he explained it was that the form you fill out for Meps is viewed a little differently than it is for officers. So I guess its like a loophole. He told me not to lie about but to put on my form how long it was since I took my meds. He said that since it had been so long they would probably not look any further into it.
Unfortunately I think screwed the whole thing up because I disclosed it to the enlisted recruiter right from the start. He sent for my forms to see if I had been permantly dissqualified. It been over two weeks and I haven't heard anything yet. Now when I was disqualified the first the recruiter I had been dealing with the at the time told me I had been dissaproved from further processing. However he said that I could apply agin for waiver as long as waited six months in between. I'd like to add more to this because Im sure I left blanks but if anyone can give me their from what I have down so far I would really appreciate it.
 

millsra13

'Merica
pilot
Contributor
Hi I posted on here sporadically through out the last few years. Been trying to get in the Navy for like the past four years. However it looks like I finally come to the end of my rope. You see I have had issues with depression in the past. I went to MEPs already and was disqualified. That was three years ago. I went to a recruiter and they pretty much told me that I would be flat out disqualified. They offerred me two options. One I could go back to a new psychiatrist and get revaluted by him her. Then I would take his report and submit it along with my past records to what they call "Big Navy" (a bigger medical place I guess). Of course that would have to be submitted along with my first denial from MEPS. The hope is that by doing this I get somebody reviewing my file who is totally sympathetic. So its pretty much a crap shoot. Also it could take up to a year and a half and right now I'm 25 and a half, so time is of the essence.
The second option was for me to go enlisted and then rise up through the ranks to officer. This the recruiter told me would take a while and mean doing a lot of grunt work which I don't mind. He had me talked to a newly comissioned officer who came up through the enlisted ranks and was also an elisted recruiter. I explained my case to this officer and he said sine I had been off meds for almost five years that I would have a good chance get in through this root. How he explained it was that the form you fill out for Meps is viewed a little differently than it is for officers. So I guess its like a loophole. He told me not to lie about but to put on my form how long it was since I took my meds. He said that since it had been so long they would probably not look any further into it.
Unfortunately I think screwed the whole thing up because I disclosed it to the enlisted recruiter right from the start. He sent for my forms to see if I had been permantly dissqualified. It been over two weeks and I haven't heard anything yet. Now when I was disqualified the first the recruiter I had been dealing with the at the time told me I had been dissaproved from further processing. However he said that I could apply agin for waiver as long as waited six months in between. I'd like to add more to this because Im sure I left blanks but if anyone can give me their from what I have down so far I would really appreciate it.

Are you currently dealing with an officer recruiter? It sounds like you are talking to an enlisted recruiter and he just wants you to enlist. If you are currently NPQ for depression, then you would be for enlisted as well as officer. More often than not, the officer side of medical is actually more lenient in regards to meds and disorders (depression, ADD, etc.) Don't talk to an enlisted recruiter unless you want to enlist. It's been said a million times on here; enlisting is NOT the best route to go officer (trust me on that one). If the OR tells you that you are still NPQ for the depression even after 5 years free from meds, then get another psych eval and try again. Getting the waiver from CNRC (big Navy) should never take 1.5 years! If that is the case then they lost your paperwork somewhere...
 

eas7888

Looking forward to some P-8 action
pilot
Contributor
the waiver from CNRC (big Navy) should never take 1.5 years! If that is the case then they lost your paperwork somewhere...

I don't know, I heard those guys in Millington just like to put stuff in drawers and not look at it for months ;-) They're all shady if you ask me.
 

cgoetz

Member
I 'm probably going to try the big Navy route. Seems like the right way to go. It just seems like the way they sold it to me was that it was easier to go enlisted due to my past. I'm willing to do whatever I gotta do.
 

CommodoreMid

Whateva! I do what I want!
None
Super Moderator
Contributor
I have a depression meds waiver. If you've been off for awhile, asymptomatic, and can get good paper from a shrink, you have a chance. To get cleared for ROTC I had to show I was off meds, doing fine, and got a letter from my psychiatrist attesting that my issues were unlikely to come back. I had to do the same thing over again while I was in ROTC to get an NFO slot, in addition to doing a whole battery of psych tests (the MMPI, etc.) Every year on my flight physical I have to talk about my mental health.

Bottom line, it sucks trying to get this waiver, but if you're committed to it, do the legwork. If you want to be an officer, don't go the enlisted route unless you absolutely want to do so. Your mental health history won't be erased by spending a couple years as a blue shirt. To be completely honest, I wouldn't be surprised if your recruiter just doesn't feel like going through the extra hassle of dealing with the loads of paperwork this waiver is going to require. It's your future. If you want this, keep fighting and submitting paperwork until they deny you a medical waiver. Depression is permanently disqualifying in the sense that it doesn't matter how long ago it happened, not in the sense that you can't necessarily get a waiver. Waiver denials are another story.
 

cgoetz

Member
Well I did submit for the waiver and I was denied. However, the recrutiter I was deailing with had told me I could re-apply again. The recruiter I saw recently said I would have to go another doctor and get revaluated and get a new writeup and have this sent to what they call "Big Navy". That would probably take up to a year he said and chances are they would deny me due to the fact I already been turned down. Like you said its a shot. I probably go this way either way.
 

JMonte85

Pro-rec SNA
As others have stated 1.5yrs is a little accessive. And are you able to get your own doc? If you tell the doctor your passion and dreams.. and explain the situation and you currently are fine they usually are sympathetic for you. When I had to get a write up for my acid reflux, the specialist seemed pretty excited for me and was willing to give me a good write up.

I think your goal here is to exhaust all options before actually throwing in the towel.

What are you trying to do in the Navy as an officer?
 

cgoetz

Member
I was using my own doctor the first time when I was trying to get a waiver. However when I went back to this doctor to try to restart he said he had nothing to add what was stated in the past because he hadn't seen me in awhile. He pretty much gave his own personal opinion off the record saying that he felt the navy didn't want me and basically just wasting my time. Nice huh? Commodore Mid if you could tell me exactly what you needed to get from your doctor in order to get the waiver I would appreciate. I think the first time I went I wasn't briefed properly as to what exactly I needed and I think I ended up not obtaining the proper documentation that the Navy wanted which hurt my chances. I was hopping to become a pilot or NFO, however I'm 25 and 1/2 now so I know I'm coming down the cut off point, however I'm considering other jobs in the Navy as well.
 

CommodoreMid

Whateva! I do what I want!
None
Super Moderator
Contributor
Yeah your first doctor sucks. You should have been able to get him to attest to your current mental health and your prospects for continued good mental health. Find a second opinion of this flavor if this is your true medical status. Of course, if you are still having issues, don't get one to lie for you or something (I doubt you could find a doctor who would do this, but just saying), but second opinions were invented for a reason.
 

cgoetz

Member
No I am not having any issues. The doctor did kind of suck. He pretty much was just going by his own personal opinion instead of his professional. He just felt that the Navy wasn't going to take me no matter what he said. He didn't want to bother it seemed. The letter he wrote was the same letter I already given MEPs(this was a good letter I thought but apparently not good enough to satisfy MEPs) with a different date on it. He said he couldn't write anything new because it had been a few years since I had seen him and there was no way for him to tell what my mental status was. Basically he couldn't Around and around we go. Obviously I can't go back to him because he has no interest in helping so I definately gotta find someone else. So basically the doctor just has to see what my current mental health which he will obviously deduce from however many number of sessions he deems fit? Also he has to give indication that there is a good outlook for the status of my mental health? Basically he has to say I won't have these issues anymore. Just trying to make sure this is correct because the first time I did this I don't think I got the right info from my last recruiter.
 

cgoetz

Member
Ehh I don't care I got nothin to lose at this point. I'm gonna try try to get in. I may not be a pilot. If I can serve thats ggod enough for me.
 

exNavyOffRec

Well-Known Member
If N3M said NPQ then trying to get that changed is near impossible, we had the opportunity to talk to a few people who make decisions at N3M and ask questions about the process, I had an applicant that had some psych issues pre teen and they had 3 interviews from different psych docs on their own dime and this person is finally in, this person never took meds as an FYI.

If you desire to pursue get a few more psych evals, then resubmit to N3M, as a side note, from the time our meddocs are uploaded into MEDWAIVE we have answers as soon as 24 hours up to 5 days
 

cgoetz

Member
I appreciate your advice sir. Thats pretty much the advice I got from the officer recruiter I last talked to. I guess the bottom line is I gotta keep pushing. If you can give me any advice as to what I need the evals to say I would appreciate it. Its important I get the evals right before I spend time, money, and possibly hurt my chances. Im not making a move until after the first of the first of the year anyway. Just as a side note it seems the meds do seem to be what hurts me, although I haven't taken any in five years.
 

exNavyOffRec

Well-Known Member
If there is anything about self harm that is now almost always a complete show stopper.

I would look for psych doc that has a military background, they might be better at putting in some of the key words.
 
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