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Legs, shins, and more legs...

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scotty008

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Hey folks, I'm reporting in June with an air contract. Excitement level is high, though I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't worried about my shins, which have been a problem historically. This type of injury, at least from the information seen here, seems to be a leading reason for failure. Can anyone offer additional advice on prepping your legs for OCS? I'm doing the usuals such as ice, ibuprofin, and stretching, but would welcome any additional feedback (especially from guys with experience, either OCS or just with shin problems). Thanks, and look forward to seeing some of you in six weeks!
 
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FLYMARINES

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Congrats! I am going to Jrs. this summer as well, 2nd increment, Air Contract for SNA. My OSO said the best way to prevent injury and shin splints is to quite frankly just be in shape. Also run on the balls of your feet(the front part), take longer strides, and STRETCH thoroughly. He also told me to start taking calcium pills several months prior, to help build bone mass, which will help prevent leg injuries. Stay in shape and good luck this summer!
 
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OVERCOME

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scotty008 said:
Hey folks, I'm reporting in June with an air contract. Excitement level is high, though I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't worried about my shins, which have been a problem historically. This type of injury, at least from the information seen here, seems to be a leading reason for failure. Can anyone offer additional advice on prepping your legs for OCS? I'm doing the usuals such as ice, ibuprofin, and stretching, but would welcome any additional feedback (especially from guys with experience, either OCS or just with shin problems). Thanks, and look forward to seeing some of you in six weeks!
The best thing to do is to make sure that your legs are as fresh as can be prior to arrival. While you're at OCS, you won't be able to do much except stretch and ice. I was able to get some motrin from the corpsman assigned to our platoon a couple of times for my foot. Also, when you go, elevate your legs for about 10 minutes every night. I don't know the medical reasoning behind it, but I've heard from several others that it helps keeps your legs fresh.
 
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snow85

Come on, the FBI would have given him twins!
okay, i'm going to go right through your list, and tell you what i can. if you have any questions, pm me. i wrote you a great answer and then i lost it, so i'll do my best to remember what i wrote.

stretches: what kind are you doing? when are you doing them? i will try to scan in my docs and send them to you-- pm me with your email address. (provided, of course, that i can still locate my books.) also understand that all the muscles in your lower back and legs affect each other-- in fact, all of your leg muscles either originate or insert around your knees, so a calf 'pain' could actually be a hamstring or quadricep issue, depending on where it's located.

ice: make yourself some ice massage cups:
1/2 of a cheap-o paper cup filled with water, freeze. then flip it over and peel the cup away from the ice, starting at the mouth of the cup. you'll be left with a ghetto ice popsicle, and a paper end to hold on to. apply that to your legs with PRESSURE-- it's not supposed to tickle. use circular motions, that move from your ankle toward your heart. this not only increases blood flow to the area, but in doing so, helps move by-products, such as lactic acid, away from the area, where they can then be reabsorbed by the body. healthy blood flow also promotes new tissue growth on the cellular level-- which means that any broken capillaries/ microscopic muscle tears, (these produce lactic acid), that you have, will heal faster. moving the blood toward the heart is also the reason why you elevate your feet. i also recommend that you get in a swimming pool-- you don't have to swim laps, but you do have to move around. the compression will actually make your whole body feel better, and it is a great way to recover after a hard workout.

because this is an ongoing issue with you-- not an acute injury-- you can subscribe to the ice/heat club. ice, then heat with moist heat, (a wet towel warmed in the microwave, but don't catch it on fire), and then ice again. this constriction and expansion of the blood vessels, again promoting healthy blood flow.

be careful with the ibuprofen. it is actually very addictive, and you won't even know that you've developed a dependency, until it isn't available/ isn't availble in the dose you've been taking.

do NOT run on the balls of your feet unless you are sprinting, or mimicking richard simmons. in fact, if you do that over a distance, you could easily hurt yourself. (and your fellow oc's, who didn't know that simmons was going to be in their ocs class.) the proper form for distance running is to strike with the heel first, and then follow through to the toe. i'm sure if you run in a park, you'll see people doing this. there's more of a cushion this way. running on the balls of your feet can actually cause you to get shin splints-- think about where the transfer of energy is going. (the time/amount of foot on the ground is much shorter/much less for the toe strike-- that's why it's for a sprint.)

calcium pills: unless you have a diagnosed calcium deficiency, don't waste your money. your body absorbs what it needs, and no more than what it needs, from the food that you eat. you'd be much better off drinking a glass of 1/2% or skim milk every day. what calcium that doesn't get absorbed by your body is flushed out as waste, so if you're already getting what you need, (milk, multi-vitamin, etc.), there's no need to take it. it cannot build your bone density.

(dude-- flymarines-- who is your oso?!?!???)

bone density: don't. do not even entertain. you bones grow in length until you are approximately 18 for women, and 24 for men. your osseous tissue will continue to grow in density until you are in your mid-30s. there is nothing that you can do to help it along. any rapid weight gain, be it bone, (if that was possible), muscle, fat.... unduly stresses your joints, and again, causes inuries to ligaments, tendons, muscles, and can actually cause you to break bones. (force/torque applied under a given set of conditions. don't get freaked out-- just understand how the physics works. lever, fulcrum? if you know those concepts, you're almost there.) unless you live in a lab, there is nothing that you can do to increase the amount of bone mass that you have, so don't buy in.

if you have any more questions, post them here for everyone's benefit, or pm me.
 

scotty008

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Thanks for the replies, everyone. I'm really fired up to kick some ass at OCS this Summer, and the last thing I want is to end up being sent home early with something like shin splints. Anything else you think would help would be much appreciated, and thanks again-
 

A4sForever

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RE: "Legs, shins, and more legs... " ???!!?!?!

And here I thought this was a soft-pornographic thread !! Go figure .... who could know ???

(many smiles so no one will hate me ... :) :) )
 

FLYMARINES

Doing Flips and Shit.
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Dude, I wasn't talking about the GNC (expensive) Calcium pills, I was talking about the calcium vitamins you can buy at any grocery store for like 3 bucks. I take them mainly because I don't drink nearly as much milk as I want to. They might not help you that much, but when you talking about ocs, every little bit helps. I read in a health journal that running on the heels of your feet causes stress on your knees and can lead to stress fractures. Take it for what it's worth.
 

Mayday

I thought that was the recline!
Legs, shins, and more legs?!

Awww, I thought this was gonna be a smut/fetish post! Man - now I gotta go type random naughty words into google again...

Edit: Ha ha ha. I posted before seeing A4's. I suppose we are both of the same salty mind (then again, his saltiness makes mine like tasteless tofu in comparison).
 

skidkid

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So you're the Mrs Dash of saltiness?
sorry had to do it

On a more helpful note, there are other vitamins and minerals that help with joints and ligaments I cant remember but an online search or a nutriotionist should be able to help you
 

FLYMARINES

Doing Flips and Shit.
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Appreciate the tip, skidkid.

Also for future references: hate smiles just like A4's and skidkid.
 

Mayday

I thought that was the recline!
So nobody's dissappointed...

Here's what you came here for, don't deny it!
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Mayday

I thought that was the recline!
Smilies??? :) But you HAVE to use smilies, :icon_smil or dense and overdriven sensitive types don't pick up on the sarcasm! ;)
:D :icon_fingerz
Skid - I set myself up badddd for that sh!t
 

scotty008

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Again, thanks to everyone who posted info. All was much appreciated. To A4...When and where did you fly for the Navy? My Dad flew Skyhawks and other aircraft (Phantoms, 14s. F-5s, etc, between '72 and '90. Maybe you know of each other...
 

motiv8r

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calcium pills: unless you have a diagnosed calcium deficiency, don't waste your money. your body absorbs what it needs, and no more than what it needs, from the food that you eat. you'd be much better off drinking a glass of 1/2% or skim milk every day. what calcium that doesn't get absorbed by your body is flushed out as waste, so if you're already getting what you need, (milk, multi-vitamin, etc.), there's no need to take it. it cannot build your bone density.

Just wanted to give my $0.02...
Snow85, I don't know if you're a doctor, but I'm going to take issue with your comment on calcium. Saying that your body will absorb the calcium it needs and excrete the rest out is like saying that if you're still pissing, you're not dehydrated, since your body is just excreting the water it doesn't need. Fact is, your body will always excrete nutrients it needs...this is just one of the basic realities of the endocrine system. If you take 2-3000 mg of calcium a day instead of the recommended 1000mg (which by the way is the total amount in 3 glasses of milk a day not 1) you will saturate your system with the mineral and more of it will be absorbed. Period. If anyone reading this has shin splints or stress fractures, load up on the calcium. It will not be a waste of time/money.
 

olympianchc

Fox Co....TBS
motiv8r...no disrespect, but you are incorrect.. For example, in a weighless environment such as space, an astronaut will lose 1% of total bone density per month spent in space. This is permanent and cannot be replaced or fixed in any way, even if a ton of calcium is taken. They have done a ton of research with calcium, and unless you are getting a deficient amount, taking calcium supplements does nothing. So, for individuals who aren't taking in enough calcium from natural sources (unlikely unless vegan or puker), then calcium supps are a good thing, but for the everyday guy/girl they are pointless. I studied a lot of this (physiology emphasis within my major) and pretty much 95% of the info out there supports what I just said.
 
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