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Kerry's Nomination Acceptance Speech

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46Driver

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El Cid said:
About the 40K jobs... here's a deafening blow to your little theory. Kerry wants to add 40K jobs by cutting EVERY military members pay. Not cutting by reducing our current pay but by reducing the cost of living adjustments. I don't know about you but telling an E-2 that he will just have to get by next year on the same amount of pay with constantly rising inflation rates is wrong. He also wants to cut the military's budget... so we'll add 40K jobs + cut cost of living adjustments + cut the military's budget = decreased readiness + disgruntled service members.

How's that for bursting your silence? 46driver, N866DA?

Being a college student and having never served - much less deployed - perhaps you need to learn the word "optempo". Adding 40,000 troops is a good start. Which do you think is more important to that E-2: an extra $75 dollars a month or yet another 1 year deployment away from family. If you want to see "disgruntled", tell a reservist he is being extended from 1 year to 18 months in Iraq because there are not enough troops.....
 

N866DA

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El Cid said:
About the 40K jobs... here's a deafening blow to your little theory. Kerry wants to add 40K jobs by cutting EVERY military members pay. Not cutting by reducing our current pay but by reducing the cost of living adjustments. I don't know about you but telling an E-2 that he will just have to get by next year on the same amount of pay with constantly rising inflation rates is wrong. He also wants to cut the military's budget... so we'll add 40K jobs + cut cost of living adjustments + cut the military's budget = decreased readiness + disgruntled service members.

How's that for bursting your silence? 46driver, N866DA?

Have a source for that? Because on the contrary, everything I can find about what Kerry wants to do with the military seems to involve improving benefits for servicemembers and their families, ie protecting Impact Aid (which helps fund DoD schools and which Bush has tried to cut), making the Family Separation Allowance permanent, increasing the Death Gratuity for families of those killed in combat zones, reimbursing the families that had to buy body armor for their soldiers in Iraq, etc. That sounds to me like taking good care of servicemembers and their families, not just the defense contractors, who are well taken care of no matter what party controls the White House.

After what Bush has done to the military, nothing Kerry does could possibly be worse. So far, nobody has responded to my mention of Bush's record with the military.

I took a look at those slideshows and what can I say, they're typical campaign material. No different from the Democrats whispering about the "rumors" that George W was AWOL when he was supposed to be in Alabama with the guard. Personally, I find it hard to believe that John Kerry would "self-inflict" gunshot wounds (even if they were in the extremities like arm, and leg, which is where he was wounded), just to get Purple Hearts and someday be President of the United States. I don't agree with everything he said when he came back from Vietnam, but at least John Kerry went over there and served. When his country called, he answered, unlike some other people.

About the tax slideshow, well, I guess people's opinion about Bush's tax cut comes down to how they view economics. Like I said, I'm a Republican. I'm all for cutting taxes. But in this case, I think it's wrong for two reasons. First of all, we are at war. Americans are sacrificing their lives abroad, and the American people should be making sacrifices at home too. Bush could have used the unity and goodwill of 9/11 toward this purpose with absolutely no political fallout. He chose not to. Second, we're running record budget deficits. No big deal to Bush and his people, but when our generation (those of us that are college age right now) is running this country, we are going to have a crushing federal indebtedness problem. For all the things I hated about Clinton, you have to give him the fact that he balanced the budget. Balancing the budget, not running up the national debt, is the best way to economic prosperity.

All that said, for me, service is above politics. I'm going full speed ahead into the Marines, no matter who is elected, no matter what happens.
 

squeeze

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remember when republicans stood for small government, little intervention into private lives, and big defense spending and the democrats were all about tax-and-spend big government, while cutting the military?

bizarro superman is that you?

/showing his age with obscure 80s movie references
 

El Cid

You're daisy if you do.
46Driver: STA21 is an ENLISTED commissioning program (enlistment date 13DEC99) and I am third generation military (granddad:WWII and Korea in the Navy/dad:Vietnam and Gulf War I in the Air Force)[Trust me you have to stay sharp around them]. While I will not contend that I have as much experience as some people in this forum, I do feel that my unique experiences allow me to toss my two cents in. I am also currently getting my BA in Int'l Rel. with a minor in diplomatic and military history and my advisor (who is a close personal friend) is ex-army intel, CIA and State department. So a lot of what I have to say is a least above a wet behind the ear college student.

N866DA: http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/stock/040131
The only problem of going from Kerry's official statements is that they tend to contradict themselves depending on what company he keeps.
 

Fly Navy

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squeeze said:
remember when republicans stood for small government, little intervention into private lives, and big defense spending and the democrats were all about tax-and-spend big government, while cutting the military?

bizarro superman is that you?

/showing his age with obscure 80s movie references

I think that's called Libertarian now. Unfortunately, that's like voting Green Party, throwing your vote away.
 

El Cid

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Fly Navy: That's what they used to say about the Federalists, Republicans, Democrats, Whigs, etc...
 

Fly Navy

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El Cid said:
Fly Navy: That's what they used to say about the Federalists, Republicans, Democrats, Whigs, etc...

Oh I'd like to see the Libertarians grow, they have a lot of good ideas. Problem is, they're unheard of by a lot of people.
 

wink

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The adminstration, for this argument, SECDEF, is battling many mid to high level officers in the military over the future shape of our forces. It is not a secret that SECDEF is taking some rather revolutionary steps. He threatens the personal futures of mid level officers and the fiefdoms of our seniors officers. You have to expect discourse. A complaint by a senior officer about inadequate force levels in Iraq may simply be a manifestation of his displeasure with overall reductions in manning service wide that limit his future assignments. I believe it is a huge leap for most professional officers from voiceing a differing opinion on the conduct of the war on terror and voting for John Kerry. I know what I have in 'W' and on balance I find it far more acceptable to taking a chance on John Kerry. In the course of a presidency, a president will have to make decisions he never imagined or previouly articulated a public position on. You have to know a man's general character, principles, and moral compass. You have to know he will apply them uniformly when the unthinkable occurs (9/11 anyone?). Given his record and many varied positions I don't know how Sen Kerry will handle the next crisis. If I knew his core principles I still wouldn't know if I could trust he would apply them consistently. Some might have said that about 'W' before 9/11. I don't know how they could say that now. You can't vote for a candidate based on a laundry list of items you support. You have to be sure he will handle the unthinkable, the unpredictable, in a manner you would support. Sen Kerry may have been a brave and admirable swift boat skipper. But I'm voting for a Commander in Chief and the only one on the ticket with experience in that billet is 'W'.
BTW, I liked the "reporting for duty" line.
 

cindy

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Hey, I just gave you an "I approve" recommendation.

That was well said.

Hmm... I liked the line but thought the salute was sloppy. Picky Picky
 

wink

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That was an old fashioned Newport RI OCS SWO type salute. Old AOCS and current OCS candidates are taught a proper salute by Marine DIs.
 

N866DA

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Upon further research of what Kerry said when he came home from Vietnam, I retract my previous statements about being 100% behind him.
 

El Cid

You're daisy if you do.
N866DA said:
Upon further research of what Kerry said when he came home from Vietnam, I retract my previous statements about being 100% behind him.

What exactly made you change your mind?

And if it means anything, I commend you for what you just wrote. Not because I'm a Bush fan or anti-Kerry but because not a lot of people come back after an argument and recant their statements in such a tactful way.
 
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