intel realignment, who does it affect?

[IS.m.ras]

I am currently an ISSN, but working on my OCS package.

We were informed a few weeks ago that the Navy is doing some realigning, where certain billets (specifically 3910s and 3923s) will be going to ONI/Fallon, NV instead of being stationed on ships. These folks will support ships from their shore based locations and then during deployments be on the ships.

My question is, does this affect IOs?

 

[LET73]

I am currently an ISSN, but working on my OCS package.

We were informed a few weeks ago that the Navy is doing some realigning, where certain billets (specifically 3910s and 3923s) will be going to ONI/Fallon, NV instead of being stationed on ships. These folks will support ships from their shore based locations and then during deployments be on the ships.

My question is, does this affect IOs?

Yes. Ensigns and LTJGs will no longer be assigned to carriers, which means that your chances of going to ONI after finishing up at NIOBC are now a little higher. Ensigns and JGs will instead det out to the carriers along with the 3910s and 23s, and there will be one LT and one CDR permanently assigned to the ship.

 

[DangerousDan]

Yes. Ensigns and LTJGs will no longer be assigned to carriers, which means that your chances of going to ONI after finishing up at NIOBC are now a little higher. Ensigns and JGs will instead det out to the carriers along with the 3910s and 23s, and there will be one LT and one CDR permanently assigned to the ship.

Wow. I didnt realize that. Talk about your career being like office space. Oh wait it already is.

 

[jus2mch]

I am currently an ISSN, but working on my OCS package.

We were informed a few weeks ago that the Navy is doing some realigning, where certain billets (specifically 3910s and 3923s) will be going to ONI/Fallon, NV instead of being stationed on ships. These folks will support ships from their shore based locations and then during deployments be on the ships.

My question is, does this affect IOs?

Here is the official message. It might help you understand a little better.

http://www.npc.navy.mil/NR/rdonlyres/DB7F03BF-97B6-4A03-9C02-C08CE695E807/0/NAV09159.txt

 

[LET73]

Wow. I didnt realize that. Talk about your career being like office space. Oh wait it already is.

No kidding.

Actually, I've got a question on the subject of realignment. The logic behind it is that the ISs lose skills while the ship's in port, and would better maintain those skills by going to a "Center of Excellence." I'm not going to debate the merits of it; I think there are arguments on both sides, but I am curious as to why this hasn't touched the airwings. My understanding is that ISs and intel JOs do even less intel work when the squadrons are not deployed than we do on the ship. If that's indeed the case, why not take intel people out of the squadrons (at least, those that are part of the embarked airwing) and send them to CVW staff? I'm interested in hearing from aviators and aviation intel types as far as what benefits the squadron gets from having permanently assigned intel people that it would not have if those intel people worked for the airwing and joined them for deployment and workups (other than not having a security manager ). I'm seeing it from the CVN side, so I'm curious....

 

[bucki4lyfe]

Yes. Ensigns and LTJGs will no longer be assigned to carriers, which means that your chances of going to ONI after finishing up at NIOBC are now a little higher. Ensigns and JGs will instead det out to the carriers along with the 3910s and 23s, and there will be one LT and one CDR permanently assigned to the ship.

Sorry if I'm late on this...but this makes me ask...what about reservists called up for deployments? I'm commissioning in the reserves at the end of the month and I'm trying to figure out how deployments will work. I know there are a variety of options from Afghanistan to Aviano to Hawaii to staying in the states...and I thought one of the options was deploying on a ship (including carriers). I know my first deployment won't happen until I'm completely trained but I'm thinking that possibly could happen before I reach O-3...therefore, can I assume that ships are out of the question for my first deployment?

 

[DangerousDan]

Sorry if I'm late on this...but this makes me ask...what about reservists called up for deployments? I'm commissioning in the reserves at the end of the month and I'm trying to figure out how deployments will work. I know there are a variety of options from Afghanistan to Aviano to Hawaii to staying in the states...and I thought one of the options was deploying on a ship (including carriers). I know my first deployment won't happen until I'm completely trained but I'm thinking that possibly could happen before I reach O-3...therefore, can I assume that ships are out of the question for my first deployment?

Figure it takes you 3 years to get trained up to where you are eligible to deploy as a reservist. Then after you are mobilized expect to get thrown into a job your not trained for. Although after you mobilize they cant touch you for 5 years after.

 

[dephyler]

Sorry if I'm late on this...but this makes me ask...what about reservists called up for deployments? I'm commissioning in the reserves at the end of the month and I'm trying to figure out how deployments will work. I know there are a variety of options from Afghanistan to Aviano to Hawaii to staying in the states...and I thought one of the options was deploying on a ship (including carriers). I know my first deployment won't happen until I'm completely trained but I'm thinking that possibly could happen before I reach O-3...therefore, can I assume that ships are out of the question for my first deployment?

Afghanistan is off the table for a while. HoA and Iraq (for a little while) support will be the most likely.

In fact, Afghanistan requirements will likely increase before we see any significant reduction in Iraq requirements. In response, I have directed N21 to transition the fill of all of our Afghanistan requirements to Active Component (AC) personnel. There will certainly be some exceptions, but that is my intent.

 

[TrunkMonkey]

No kidding.

Actually, I've got a question on the subject of realignment. The logic behind it is that the ISs lose skills while the ship's in port, and would better maintain those skills by going to a "Center of Excellence." I'm not going to debate the merits of it; I think there are arguments on both sides, but I am curious as to why this hasn't touched the airwings. My understanding is that ISs and intel JOs do even less intel work when the squadrons are not deployed than we do on the ship. If that's indeed the case, why not take intel people out of the squadrons (at least, those that are part of the embarked airwing) and send them to CVW staff? I'm interested in hearing from aviators and aviation intel types as far as what benefits the squadron gets from having permanently assigned intel people that it would not have if those intel people worked for the airwing and joined them for deployment and workups (other than not having a security manager ). I'm seeing it from the CVN side, so I'm curious....

The way that we had a visiting Admiral explain it to us out here was that the aviator Admirals had "grown up" with squadron spies and were reluctant to see that model go. They were more willing to realign the billet structure of those that were ship's company to assist with manning.

In my opinion only - the two benefits of being permanantly assigned to the squadron as an Intel-O/IS are that 1) you can be a part of the "family" - sort of, 2) the squadron has a security manager/paperwork shuffler at all times.

In terms of actually building intel skills while ashore - not so much. Some people really like that aspect of the job (down time), and it drives others crazy.

 

[das]

Shaping the Information Dominance Corps

As many of you are aware, the Navy is going through a process of organizing its information-related communities under the Information Dominance Corps (IDC). These communities include INTEL, IW, IP, and METOC.

It's going to be a large cultural change, but it also represents the beginning of exciting times. With the standup of Fleet Cyber Command/10th Fleet, the establishment of the IDC, and the creation of the NAVCYBERFOR TYCOM, the Navy is truly acknowledging the importance of the information domain.

But there's a lot of work to do to build this new culture. If you're a part of Facebook, there is a new, informal effort, hosted by an IDC Community Manager (contact me offline if further information is desired), to enhance collective situational awareness and facilitate the development of a common IDC culture. This forum belongs to ALL IDC constituents...please make it your own!

http://facebook.com/IDCsync

 

[nittany03]

 

[das]

Kool-Aid or not, this is the direction the information-related communities are taking. The leadership is there, and the rest is in your hands!

 

[Jim123]

Fixed it for you!

 

[Flash]

Kool-Aid or not, this is the direction the information-related communities are taking. The leadership is there, and the rest is in your hands!

Part of the point is that I am not sure the leadership is all there. This change was largely driven by one man and when he leaves it may or may not stick, though simple bureaucratic inertia may ensure at least some of it survives.

For better or worse 'Information Dominance' is still a support function, with this change and the warfare pin I think some in that field might think otherwise, which may cause problems in the long run. I don't want us to end up like the Air Force, which our resident brethren in light blue say has unfortunately inculcated their various support people into thinking they are as central to the USAF as the guys who fly the planes. The mission of the USAF is not to pay people or guard airplanes, but don't tell that to the finance specialists or the Security Forces though. Just like the mission of the Navy is not to give forecasts, maintain computer networks or give power point presentations. The IDC should take that to heart.

 

[dephyler]

Nice description of the problem Flash.

From my own observations, I fear for the future when I see hard chargers (even just still in training) jumping on board with things like this without question. My role is to help a warfighter to do their job, not to fight a war. I have a really hard time figuring why I need to know more about METOC to do my job better, or why I need bling to prove I can do it.