Information Professional (IP) Discussion

[surf3001x]

@snake020 Thank you for the invite on teams, very thankful for the resource!

For those wondering TLDR :

School house helping reservists graduate early to remain on TDY orders and not PCS.

Changes which could ease timeline for reservists in the works. No date on when.

 

[snake020]

I've never heard of any Reserve IWC officer (Intel, IP, etc.) attending IWBC.

IPBC IS A PCS MOVE... Plan accordingly as your entitlements are drastically lower than if you were on ADOS (formerly, ADSW) orders.

I can't confirm, but from discussion with one of my mentees and chatter in the Reserve IP MS Teams thread, Reserve IP leadership have recognised the problem and the schoolhouse had begun authorising deviations for Reservists to stay under the PCS length threshold.

 

[surf3001x]

I can't confirm, but from discussion with one of my mentees and chatter in the Reserve IP MS Teams thread, Reserve IP leadership have recognised the problem and the schoolhouse had begun authorising deviations for Reservists to stay under the PCS length threshold.

Really fantastic move by the schoolhouse, being able to stay on TDY orders for the duration really simplifies things. I can't imagine how difficult the IP course would be for someone fresh into the fleet as a reservist if they had to treat it like a PCS.

Especially considering a reservist who has a mortgage and would need to also plan to rent a room etc all on a O-1 salary :

*estimated (net) salary (3287.55 - (3287.55 *0.22)
*dependent BAH 1671
*BAS 256.68

= $4,491.76 (net) or $2,245.88 (net) a pay check

... would be rough. I get that we signed up for it, but considering as far as I can tell IP's have the longest single course by a long shot this move makes sense.

There is a caveat, if you're a somewhat high-grade GS civilian the pay differential is actually a really nice benefit the TLDR being you can go on leave (Military Leave (ML) and(or) Annual (LA)) and double dip, or go Leave Without Pay (LWOP) and get a pay differential.

Let's examine a base GS-13, rest of US locality .. that's approximately $7017 (gross) monthly, and we know the O-1 (gross) monthly is $5215.23 (see above).

OPM divides those by the number of days monthly (there is an offset if you go on LA at anytime vice stay LWOP the whole month) to get a daily rate, then subtracts the day rates and if the civ pay is higher, you get the difference.

Assuming 30 days for ease our GS-13 day rate would be $233.9 and the O-1 day rate would be $173.84 a difference of $60.06 daily.

30 days of LWOP you'd get a differential of $1801.80 for that month.

I'd estimate to be approximately $5897.37 (net) or $2948.68 (net) a pay check. At that point you'd actually be getting a raise over your normal assumed net of $5473.26.

But even with the differential being off TDY orders would still hurt as you'd lose $96 a night for lodging and $55 a day for per diem (these are Norfolk numbers where I travel to for work mostly) which over 137 days is $20,687 of benefit (not including your two travel days per-diem ($90) and travel costs).

Sorry for the long post, just throwing out some possible gouge I've come across for anyone searching forums. I'm also certain these numbers would be "lower" as OPM (in my experience) will be sure to ensure they pay out as little extra benefit as possible.

OPM Reference

 

[snake020]

Really fantastic move by the schoolhouse, being able to stay on TDY orders for the duration really simplifies things. I can't imagine how difficult the IP course would be for someone fresh into the fleet as a reservist if they had to treat it like a PCS.

Especially considering a reservist who has a mortgage and would need to also plan to rent a room etc all on a O-1 salary :

*estimated (net) salary (3287.55 - (3287.55 *0.22)
*dependent BAH 1671
*BAS 256.68

= $4,491.76 (net) or $2,245.88 (net) a pay check

... would be rough. I get that we signed up for it, but considering as far as I can tell IP's have the longest single course by a long shot this move makes sense.

There is a caveat, if you're a somewhat high-grade GS civilian the pay differential is actually a really nice benefit the TLDR being you can go on leave (Military Leave (ML) and(or) Annual (LA)) and double dip, or go Leave Without Pay (LWOP) and get a pay differential.

Let's examine a base GS-13, rest of US locality .. that's approximately $7017 (gross) monthly, and we know the O-1 (gross) monthly is $5215.23 (see above).

OPM divides those by the number of days monthly (there is an offset if you go on LA at anytime vice stay LWOP the whole month) to get a daily rate, then subtracts the day rates and if the civ pay is higher, you get the difference.

Assuming 30 days for ease our GS-13 day rate would be $233.9 and the O-1 day rate would be $173.84 a difference of $60.06 daily.

30 days of LWOP you'd get a differential of $1801.80 for that month.

I'd estimate to be approximately $5897.37 (net) or $2948.68 (net) a pay check. At that point you'd actually be getting a raise over your normal assumed net of $5473.26.

But even with the differential being off TDY orders would still hurt as you'd lose $96 a night for lodging and $55 a day for per diem (these are Norfolk numbers where I travel to for work mostly) which over 137 days is $20,687 of benefit (not including your two travel days per-diem ($90) and travel costs).

Sorry for the long post, just throwing out some possible gouge I've come across for anyone searching forums. I'm also certain these numbers would be "lower" as OPM (in my experience) will be sure to ensure they pay out as little extra benefit as possible.

OPM Reference

tl;dr: Aside from voluntary definite/indefinite recall orders, Reservists should never have to PCS.

 

[bubblehead]

...Reservists should never have to PCS.

Agree, but this is the Navy Reserve... Not exactly an agile organization