How To Stop Terrorists

[fastnumber15]

And did any of those tactics used by the Japanese, Germans, North Koreans, Chinese or Vietnamese really work? Did they gain much useful intelligence by torturing our servicemen? I would argue a simple and emphatic NO.



You are assuming that useful intelligence is gained by torturing someone. Got proof? Because I have yet to see it.......oh wait, if it works for Jack Bauer then it must work.

When I asked a Marine CWO Interrogator if torture works he rolled his eyes and basically said that 'Only an idiot thinks so', in slightly more colorful language. :icon_roll



What about state and federal laws? Ever heard of assault and battery?

Ignorant rant is right........

IMHO....maybe torture does not get intelligence out of our enemy...maybe it does....one persons opinion is not enough to swade me one way or the other.....but what about this.....If a terrorist KNOWS he WILL NOT be tortured, mistreated, or have any harmful good ole' fashioned beating upon him if he is captured...then what the hell are they worried about.....How about if they know when they are captured they will be beat the ***t out of....wouldnt they possibly be inclined to be more cooperative??

 

[HercDriver]

IMHO....maybe torture does not get intelligence out of our enemy...maybe it does....one persons opinion is not enough to swade me one way or the other.....but what about this.....If a terrorist KNOWS he WILL NOT be tortured, mistreated, or have any harmful good ole' fashioned beating upon him if he is captured...then what the hell are they worried about.....How about if they know when they are captured they will be beat the ***t out of....wouldnt they possibly be inclined to be more cooperative??

I don't think anyone on this board is trying to "swade" you. I think the UCMJ prohibits it, in fact.

 

[Mumbles]

Really? That seems just arrogant to me
I bet some army bubbas may disagree. Does the USMC not fall under the same UCMJ that US Army does? If someone comes out with their hands up trying to surrender, is a Marine infantrymen more likely to take him down VS Army infantrymen because You take NO prisoners?
Does a soldier not share the same warrior spirit of his Marine bretheren?

I'm NOT trying to be clever here but how do you assume that a Marine inflicts more fear than an Soldier?

You're one of the bigger tools that have come on this board in a while...
embarrassing even for a 1630 choad.

 

[armada1651]

How about if they know when they are captured they will be beat the ***t out of....wouldnt they possibly be inclined to be more cooperative??

I would think that would just make them more determined not to be taken alive and to take as many American servicemen and women with them as possible.

Fighting against an enemy for whom death is desirable greatly complicates things.

 

[fastnumber15]

Game/Set/Match....good point ropeller

 

[WALI_1980]

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[armada1651]

The BanHammer approacheth?

 

[skidkid]

Really? That seems just arrogant to me
I bet some army bubbas may disagree. Does the USMC not fall under the same UCMJ that US Army does? If someone comes out with their hands up trying to surrender, is a Marine infantrymen more likely to take him down VS Army infantrymen because You take NO prisoners?
Does a soldier not share the same warrior spirit of his Marine bretheren?

I'm NOT trying to be clever here but how do you assume that a Marine inflicts more fear than an Soldier?

As for arrogance, havent met many Marines have you?

Yes all of the US armed forces are bound by the same UCMJ Laws of War etc and noone here is advocating not abiding by those tenets.

There are some very good Army units and I dont want to take anything away from them but there is something "special" about Marines that has played itself out throughout history.

"Send in the Marines" has historical context all over the world from 1775 to today.

One of the biggest reason the Marine Corps went to the digital utilities was to denote that we are different and capitalize on the respect and fear that the word Marine evokes worldwide thanks to those who have served previously.
In Somalia Marines were called "the devils in the black boots" (we couldn't afford the cool desert boots the Army had at the time. This was the only visual way the Somalis could distinguish but they knew there was something different and they didn't test us.

There are examples too numerous to mention here but I would think that none of this would be news to you having served in the Navy.

 

[FlyinRock]

I would think that would just make them more determined not to be taken alive and to take as many American servicemen and women with them as possible.

Fighting against an enemy for whom death is desirable greatly complicates things.

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May I ask what in hell the enemy is trying to do now? Kill our troops with flowers, hugs and kisses?
I'd much rather have them fear me to the point they'll never consider making a hostile move towards me and if I can do that without firing a shot that is fine with me.
Rocky

 

[FENIAN]

Dude,
It must be hard working with intel weenies. Maybe you should've tried for VP-30 or even some VT's so you wouldn't have to put up with dumb intel dudes.
I guess we can all talk tough on a F**king forum aye?
:icon_wink

Now go on, talk some more smack....It's a freakin' forum.

Quite brazen for a newcomer, but as a guy that is also fairly new I can offer this kind advice. Always assume the guys you normally won't like are in charge of you in this forum. That is something that I have stuck to in my professional military career. In regards to to the comment about soldiers striking as much fear as Marines, the reaffirmation is an unequivocal "NO." I know a few sailors that strike more fear into an enemy than a "nothing is stronger that a U.S. Army" soldier can. I can pick the weakest 3 Marines I see in a ten minute period walking out of the PX and be fully confident that we could strike more fear than an entire platoon of Soldiers.

 

[HAL Pilot]

There is more Kool-Aid in this thread then we can ever drink.....

 

[Flash]

If someone targets your family, do you want some Army MP unit there in their white helmets and boot laces to "protect" your family, or perhaps a unit with blue helmets that say UN, or a squad of USMC that will take no prisoners?

In a perfect world, I would love to have a squad of Delta troopers or Secret Service. Neither of them happen to be Marines, figure that. But I guess it ain't a perfect world........

There are some very good Army units and I dont want to take anything away from them but there is something "special" about Marines that has played itself out throughout history.

In Somalia Marines were called "the devils in the black boots" (we couldn't afford the cool desert boots the Army had at the time. This was the only visual way the Somalis could distinguish but they knew there was something different and they didn't test us.

Which is why, in Somalia, the Rangers and Delta was given the 'hard' tasks/targets.

I can pick the weakest 3 Marines I see in a ten minute period walking out of the PX and be fully confident that we could strike more fear than an entire platoon of Soldiers.

There is more Kool-Aid in this thread then we can ever drink.....

I am drowning in kool-aid right now.

Having had the pleasure of working with Marines my whole career, including the present, I can honestly say that they are often no better or worse than any other service. Having deployed and worked under/with a Marine command for 4 months I saw Marines do as many great and stupid things as sailors and airmen. In general they are fitter and sharper but they are also much younger and more 'junior' on the whole too. They have who they need, as do other services.

When it comes to infantry units, with whom I have no first-hand experience, Marines might be much better than regular Army units. But the Army also ha units that have much more experience and expertise than any Marine unit around. Kind of balances everything out.

And believe it or not, I probably could walk around a PX/NEX/BX and pick out three Marines who probably don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. Just like I could find a three sailors who couldn't run a 1/4 mile without passing out.

So put down the kool-aid and join the real world.

 

[Mumbles]

I owe 1630 an apology....

I shouldn't have come off the top rope like that with my prior post.

 

[knobbzy]

Morality and legality aside, such an approach is about as effective as capital punishment is to slowing murder rates. In fact, one could make a very strong case that this in fact would be counter-productive to our efforts.

 

[red_ryder]

Paradrop Xbox's, porno, and blue jeans. Execution is a red herring, they're suicide soldiers anyway.