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AllAmerican75

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I just finished watching Crimson Tide and I got a question. Is that representative of service on actual submarines? I'm not talking about the plot, as I'm sure it's pretty far-fetched, but are the procedures and terminology right? Just thought I should ask the professionals.
 

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I was joking with my roommate (former Bubblehead) about this the other night at a bar. Basically Movies like Crimson Tide, The Hunt for Red October, ect are kinda like Top Gun is as far as an accurate representation of Naval Aviation. Now funny enough, Crimson tide in his opinion was actually much more accurate then October, but yeah there are times when he says he almost has to turn the movie off its so wrong.
 

nittany03

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I wonder about the level of military involvement in some of those movies. Top Gun actually had a NFWS staff member as a technical advisor, but apparently Jerry Bruckheimer just kept overruling him . . .
 

Fly Navy

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When they made Crimson Tide, they asked the Navy to help advise them. The Navy read the script and said "NO WAY!". That should tell you something.

The set of Red October is far more reallistic than Crimson Tide's, that's for sure.
 

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Fly Navy said:
The set of Red October is far more reallistic than Crimson Tide's, that's for sure.
Coming straight out of my roommates mouth Crimson Tide beat the heck out of it for a better potrayal of life on board a sub. The drilling, the whole fire sequence, some of the background displays. Now the script.... yeah we wont get into that right now, Ive got to go to work.
 

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Lawman said:
Coming straight out of my roommates mouth Crimson Tide beat the heck out of it for a better potrayal of life on board a sub. The drilling, the whole fire sequence, some of the background displays. Now the script.... yeah we wont get into that right now, Ive got to go to work.
I've been on a SSN and SSBN... I never saw the amount of hatches in either that the movie portays. The missile bay was completely bogus too. Don't even get me started on how they portray sonar in Crimson Tide... good lord.

Edit: I can believe the life on sub part, because HFRO didn't show the life on the sub, it was all from the control room for the most part.
 

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Crimson Tide is quite laughable if you attempt to equate it to how officer's and crew act on board a sub. At the most basic level you could say that the fire scene in the galley, and the drill sets were true to course, but you could throw the rest out and not miss anything.

And the whole dropping the guy on the bus to do pushups (from the future Tony Soprano no less)... nah, not happening...
 

AllAmerican75

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Yeah, I figured some of that stuff was wrong. And when James Gandolfini dropped that poor enlisted man for 20 I couldn't comprehend what it must have took him to get anywhere in the Navy. But the drills and fire sequences where sorta correct and that was what my question was about. The plot on the otherhand. . . . :icon_smil
 

AllAmerican75

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Oh, about Top Gun, I have a funny story. A while back, my CO, one of my fellow NCOs, and I were having a conversation about adding something or other to our itinerary and whether or not it would be feasible, and I was advocating we do it. And then, my buddy turns to me and says, "Sergeant, it's like Top Gun, it just doesn't work!" That was worth a good laugh.
 

Fly Navy

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AllAmerican75, is your profile made up? It says you're a high school student... yet you just referred to yourself as being a sergeant. Explain?
 

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Fly Navy said:
I've been on a SSN and SSBN... I never saw the amount of hatches in either that the movie portays. The missile bay was completely bogus too. Don't even get me started on how they portray sonar in Crimson Tide... good lord.

Edit: I can believe the life on sub part, because HFRO didn't show the life on the sub, it was all from the control room for the most part.
I've been on quite a few SSNs and SSBNs, and the one thing that seemed unrealistic to me about the movies was all the high tech gadgetry. I was in the launch room on the SSBN, and it was a scene from the 70s. The launch process, and positioning of the boxes, and keys seemed to be accurate in crimson tide (although i don't know about all that EAM jazz). The launch trigger was accurate. Thats another thing I find hilarious about sub movies.... When bad sh*t is happening, they go in to some weird a$$ red alert mode or something and all the lights turn red in the con. Not that it f***ing matters anyways. What are the red lights going to do?

I don't recall the sonar room in crimson tide too much, but if I remember correctly, the sonar room seemed fairly accurate; several terminals/scopes built on another lined up on one side of a bulkhead, with all the operators wearing headsets.

Also, everything seems to be portrayed a lot bigger in the movies, especially the con. Anyways, my $.02
 
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