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HIRING, FURLOUGHS, BANKRUPTCIES: It was the best of times...it was the worst of times

46Driver

"It's a mother beautiful bridge, and it's gon
INDEPENDENCE AIR announces furloughs:

Indy's MEC just announced a massive furlough. An additional 500 pilots will be let go over the coming months. That's in addition to the roughly 250 guys already on the street. Overall, this represents roughly 50% of the pilots on the seniority lists. The furloughs go back to July 11, 2000. The CA displacements go back to April 26, 1999. Pilots who are currently captains will be furloughed. By this summer, the most junior FO on reserve will be on the 6th year pay scale.


Saw this on another board. Looks like my company will now be furloughing over 50% of its pilots, and another 25% will get massive paycuts as they are demoted from Captain to First Officer.
 

A4sForever

BTDT OLD GUY
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BRANIFF Sporting Alexander Calder Livery .....

Patmack18 said:
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A4sForever

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As of 01/07/2005 ...

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NWA furlough update.... 45 PNR's went out at the end of December for March Training. The bottom pilot to receive a notice was 5614. Approximately 6089 pilots total on the July 2004 seniority list.
 

46Driver

"It's a mother beautiful bridge, and it's gon
The numbers I am hearing at Independence Air are furloughs back to a July, 2000 date of hire. We will be keeping only 784 pilots - 2 years ago we were at 1800 pilots.
 

46Driver

"It's a mother beautiful bridge, and it's gon
Yep. Could be worse. If you were a pure civilian and that was your only job.
 

46Driver

"It's a mother beautiful bridge, and it's gon
Saw this on another board. AMERICAN AIRLINES will furlough another 44 pilots this March, bringing their total to just about 3000. As for recalls....

If American begins to recall at the rate of 400 per year immediately after they furlough the group in March it would take just over 7 years for them to recall all 2800+ pilots. Obviously they aren't going to start recalls right away and might even furlough more so your 10 year figure is no joke. (in reference to when they might start hiring again.)
 

A4sForever

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Physicx said:
Cal and NWA should be hiring in 2005.
NWA probably won't be doing any "new" hiring in 2005 ... unless there are a ton of early and/or medical retirements that are not presently programed into the mix. Perhaps you were referring to the alter-ego, low-cost carrier (LCC) "Pinnacle Air"?

And of course, when I say LCC and say low cost --- I usually mean for the employees, not for upper management --- as in "low salaries, long hours, and/or no retirement"?

If there are some liquidation "deaths" in the airline world (US Air? United? ATA? Please take a number ....) then perhaps NWA might accelerate recalls and look at "new hires". But I think, again, they will try to move any new "opportunity" flying to the LCC, not the mainline Red Tail force.

Personally, I would rather stay in Big Blue and fly for the Navy for 20 rather than work for one of these airborne sweat-shops. But then, everyone is different and has their own priorities .....

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Physicx

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Your right I menat wil be one of the first Legacy's to hire.Cal is definitly looking the best.And Pinncale is upgrading people with time in less then six months.The airline market looks bad now but it will recover,it always does.
 

46Driver

"It's a mother beautiful bridge, and it's gon
Physicx said:
Your right I menat wil be one of the first Legacy's to hire.Cal is definitly looking the best.And Pinncale is upgrading people with time in less then six months.The airline market looks bad now but it will recover,it always does.

Past Performance is no guarantee of future success.

For the first time, the legacy carriers have lost the ability to set prices in the market. The LCC's have reached critical mass, ticket prices are transparent due to the internet, mainlines are being replaced by ever larger RJ's, business travellers are unable or unwilling to continue to pay exorbitant fares - the list is endless.

I don't expect the airlines to EVER return to the "Glory Days". Sure you may make $125k per year (with no retirement other than a 401k), but the days of $250k per year and a retirement of $100k per year are dwindling fast.
 

46Driver

"It's a mother beautiful bridge, and it's gon
USAir on the edge of Chapter 7

Every January, Vaughn Cordle, chief analyst with Airline Forecasts of Washington, D.C., issues his prediction of the industry's 10 biggest stories of the year.


No. 1 on his 2005 list: the liquidation of US Airways.

"I think we're on the verge of the collapse of US Airways," Cordle said.

Aviation analyst Michael Boyd, of Evergreen, Colo., agrees. "Stick a fork in them. They're done," he said.

Fare wars, high fuel prices and bitter labor relations that resulted in an operational meltdown that stranded thousands of customers over Christmas have financially weakened the nation's seventh largest airline beyond recovery, experts said.

Even if US Airways succeeds in securing $1 billion a year in labor savings, it most likely will be too little, too late, they said, to save one of Western Pennsylvania's largest employers, with more than 6,000 local workers.

An unofficial dead pool has begun.

Cordle predicted that US Airways, which filed for bankruptcy protection in September, will run out of cash and shut down in March, typically the airline's low point in cash flow.

Boyd said it will collapse next month.

William Lauer, who follows the airline for Tarentum-based Allegheny Capital Management, heretofore had been somewhat of a maverick, refusing to predict US Airways' demise. But now he acknowledges that the airline's days may be short.

The "kill shot," he said, is not Southwest Airlines' decision to launch service at Pittsburgh International Airport in May. It was the Christmas fiasco, a sign of US Airways' seemingly intractable labor problems that has spooked customers and creditors alike.

"Clearly," Lauer said, "there has been a lot of damage" to the brand.

Boyd said that Southwest's decision to begin service in Pittsburgh is a sign that the low-cost carrier believes US Airways, which operates 225 flights a day at Pittsburgh International Airport, is on the verge of closing.

"What they are saying is that, by the time they begin service in May, they believe US Airways will be a non-entity in Pittsburgh,'' Boyd said, "either through flight reductions or going out of business. Most likely, the latter."

Their comments contrast sharply with those of US Airways Chief Executive Officer Bruce Lakefield, who told employees Friday that he was "upbeat" about the future. He said that the flight attendants' ratification of a $94-million-a-year cost-saving contract and a forthcoming ratification vote on $300 million a year in labor savings by mechanics, baggage handlers and fleet-service workers are major developments that help move the airline forward in its transformation plan.

"We're pulling together and getting things done," Lakefield said.

US Airways is trying to stay afloat through cuts in labor costs, cooperative creditors and vendors, and access to about $700 million worth of federally guaranteed loans backed by the Air Transportation Stabilization Board. Most of its assets are pledged as loan collateral.

The ATSB agreement expires Jan. 15. If the ATSB refuses to grant an extension, US Airways will be forced to shut down immediately.

US Airways also must make $260 million in aircraft lease payments in January and February.

If many customers shun the airline in coming months because of the Christmas catastrophe and fears that the airline is going out of business, US Airways won't have enough to cash to continue operations and make the lease payments, forcing it to default on the ATSB loans.

In another sign that it was struggling, US Airways asked a bankruptcy judge for an additional six weeks to file a reorganization plan. The plan is expected to be filed in late February.

Boyd said he had heard reports that, contrary to initial fears, January bookings did not drop precipitously immediately after the Christmas breakdown. (US Airways refuses to discuss advance bookings.)

Cordle, however, said that the Christmas travel disruptions rattled some creditors, including at least one aircraft lessor he declined to identify.

Another jolt to the system, such as a labor strike, could kill US Airways immediately, Cordle said.

The International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, which represents almost 9,000 mechanics, baggage handlers and fleet-service workers, is conducting a strike authorization vote.

IAM-represented employees may go on strike by Jan. 22 if the rank and file refuses to approve a new contract calling for more than $300 million a year in wage and benefit cuts.

Cordle said a major labor disruption could spook creditors and vendors into demanding immediate payments from US Airways, triggering a financial run on the airline. "If one (creditor) pulls, they all will pull, and the company will collapse," he said.
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wink

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The demise of USAir will reduce capacity somewhat. In the long run, however, it will prove little relief for the legacy carriers. Someone with more money then brains will come in during the Chapter 7 fire sale and pick up a portion of USAir and relaunch another airline. That airline will be another low cost operation given not only the lower wage scales but that everyone will be at one year of service, the very bottom of the lower scale, and acquiring assets will be less expensive due to the Chapter 7 sale. This new operation will drive down fares, wages and benefits further for the remaining legacy airlines.
 

A4sForever

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Rumor Control: Is POLAR Air HIRING ???

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I hear that Polar Air may be hiring 30 FOs "pretty soon" .... I cannot be more specific than that. 30 F/O's --- all slated for the 747-200 "classic".

But the word is also that Polar is trading in all classic 747's for an Airbus product "soon". I believe it is supposed to be a mix of A-320 freighters, A-300's and A-380's. By the end of 2009, the whole fleet is projected to be Airbus.

Sounds like a very schizophrenic place to work ... but at least they are going to hire?
 

46Driver

"It's a mother beautiful bridge, and it's gon
Delta posts MASSIVE $2.2 BILLION loss

Just when you think American and Northwest had it bad with 4rth quarter losses of over $400 million each, Delta posted record losses.

Delta Q4 loss widens to $2.2bln
No. 3 airline calls road ahead difficult
By Matt Andrejczak & Steve Goldstein
Last Update: 11:30 AM ET Jan. 20, 2005
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A4sForever

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Nwa Update: Recall News !!

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Here is a 'numbers' summary as of the end of Dec. 2004:

643 -- pilots remain on furlough.

227 -- recalls have been re-trained.

18% -- rate for bypass/deferral/mil.lv.
 
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