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Gun replica prompts arrest, lockdowns
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MasterBates
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Students (I'm talking K-12 here) are not adults. So no carry for them.
Teachers should be resposible adults. So under the 2nd amendment, there should be no problem with them carrying. Let those who choose to carry do so..
Oh, and students having guns at school. My father and some of my older cousins (late 40's now) brought guns and ammo to school. Kept them in their lockers or cars. (faculty was aware). Nobody died, and nobody was arrested.
Personal resposibilty. It's a wonderful thing.
Teachers should be resposible adults. So under the 2nd amendment, there should be no problem with them carrying. Let those who choose to carry do so..
Oh, and students having guns at school. My father and some of my older cousins (late 40's now) brought guns and ammo to school. Kept them in their lockers or cars. (faculty was aware). Nobody died, and nobody was arrested.
Personal resposibilty. It's a wonderful thing.
Reference my earlier statement:
"The debate is a moot point anyways, the American public at large is not going to allow guns be carried by teachers in schools."
There you go ... you finally got one right. You don't know "Jack" (and I don't mean Bauer
) about firearms. No sh!t ... bad idea for teachers to carry guns, right?? ... that's the job for professionals -- security guards and police officers, yes ??? Teachers are busy enough trying to teach class, making sure their students are able to pass the required standardized tests, making lesson plans, grading tests and papers, coaching sports teams, etc., etc ---midn09 said:
Hell, the next thing you know --- THESE GUN NUTS WILL WANT AIRLINE PILOTS TO CARRY GUNS!!!
And we know THAT will never happen!!! The American public will NOT stand for it!!! There's NO WAY pilots can concentrate, fly the airplane, eat their inflight meals, go to the head, and still "worry" about carrying a firearm!!!
OH.... you mean they already do .... ??!!??
Bullshit. !#!#$^%@# I KNOW what I would do. There are some things you know about yourself, and there are some things you KNOW about yourself. Thats not braggadocio, thats not arrogance, thats the plain cold truth. With all due respect I can not fathom how a person does not know how they would respond in that situation. You've got to know! Hasn't anybody read the Red Badge of Courage‽
I KNEW someday I would have to say this, and I've never said it before but GODDAM IT, I weep for the future!!!
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So what do you suggest, arming teachers? That has got to be one of the dumber arguments that I have heard in the Op-Ed pages and by commentators recently......
It was well known in my high school that one of the teachers was armed at all times. Why? Because he was a retired DEA agent who had spent time in Columbia and had active threats against his life and the life of his family. I went shooting with the guy on a semi-regular basis and believe me he was gonna win most if not any gun fight he ended up in (he held the record at the FBI academy for more then a few shooting tests). We arm pilots dont we, or at least we give them the option to be armed, and there is much less ability for somebody to bring a weapon into an airport safety zone then into a school. But we dont give that option for teachers or school security employees to have access to any weapons whatsoever. Even if a teacher were to just have the thing out in their car and retrieve and use it in a Columbine situation it would be the end of their teaching career and probably their life as a free citizen. And unfortunately not ever municipality has the resources to have a full time school resourse officer at every school. My school system had one, and he was the only cop for the 10 schools in the disctrict. Simple matter is like MB stated, if the chances of you being taken out before achieving your goal the blaze of glory becomes much less appealing.
Your crazy right? Have you seen how much firepower the average SWAT/ESU officer carries? You do realize that they are never alone and always operate as a team not some lone gunfighter Halo BS scenario? Have you ever shot with a SWAT/ESU guy? Christ the stuff in my one buddys off duty car alone would have surpassed the firepower these two kids had on them that day.
And SWAT stayed outside at Columbine while the attacks were taking place. Why? Because they didnt know the layout of the school and were unaware of the number of shooters. Who better in that situation then a teacher who knows what doors lead to where. These kids were not skilled worth a damn in firearms it just happened to be they were the only ones with any. And you better change your attitude toward the fight. Because when you fight an enemy you fight to stop him or be dead, there is no other kind of victory in a gun fight. The Sheep dog protects the sheep no matter what, he doesnt bitch and moan that there were more wolves then him he stands his ground anyway.
Put an untrained guy off the street in a situation with armed men, most will spend the first few minutes thinking "This can't be happening to me", followed by the strong desire to un-ass themselves from said situation through any means possible. However, through training we can teach someone to think logically through a hostage/armed gunmen situation so that they make good decisions and keep their head about them. We do this with the professionals in law enforcement and we do this with soldiers on the front line as well (a small minority find themselves paralyzed w/fear when placed under fire, but the training they have received will contribute to that minority being small). We do this in aviation so that people do not get helmet fires every time an emergency occurs...they have had tons of practice EPs and strong system knowledge to draw from. This is how we develop good situational awareness as well has having "training take over".
My point isn't just about arming teachers; more about that you really don't know how you will react (even if you think you know), in an armed shootout. There have been plenty of tough guys who changed their tune when being shot at (no matter what kind of game they talked). However, if approached professionally with good hands-on training, good knowledge of the weapon you carry, and the correct mindset, you increase your odds of making correct choices so that you have a strong idea how you will react.
Slightly off topic...
Despite some 20,000 gun laws in the United States, mostly at the state and local levels, there is little evidence that any but the most weakly motivated citizens have been discouraged from gun ownership. And there is no evidence that these gun control laws have made a dent in the crime rate. (National Center for Policy Analysis, www.ncpa.org)
But I love this:
http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-sep2206-greenleaf.84b1934.html (the ordinance has since passed)
Weapons for everyone = less crime apparently (?)
Despite some 20,000 gun laws in the United States, mostly at the state and local levels, there is little evidence that any but the most weakly motivated citizens have been discouraged from gun ownership. And there is no evidence that these gun control laws have made a dent in the crime rate. (National Center for Policy Analysis, www.ncpa.org)
But I love this:
http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-sep2206-greenleaf.84b1934.html (the ordinance has since passed)
Weapons for everyone = less crime apparently (?)
There you go ... you finally got one right. You don't know "Jack" (and I don't mean Bauer
I already conceded that...what's it really have to do with the primary argument??? It doesn't take a gun expert to see that someone surrounded by (immature, unstable, irresponsible, etc.) kids all day shouldn't be packing.
Let's see...someone surrounded at close quarters by hundreds or thousands of those kids all day is just like a pilot who is locked alone in an armored cockpit...yeah...
And not to trivialize any deaths, but look at how many fatalities result from a terrorist hijacking an airliner compared to even the worst school shootings...you really can't compare the two.
You just don't know when to fold 'em, do you ... ??? Doesn't bode well for your future as an Officer ...midn09 said:
And that's the ONLY way that someone ---- a civilian, in this case --- should approach the heady responsibility of CCW. I know, as I've taught 'em and did not "qualify/pass" a few who did not meet the overall criteria ...